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seflow review - stay far away: Scammers and liars
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And how do you know that a government entity is doing the accusations? It's just because someone said it here, or do you have any other info about this?
The flaw in that is talking in a public forum about it then not backing it up. That can mean multiple things:
Right now the statements have no meaning at all.
I could aswell accuse you of rape, that wouldn't put you in the position where you have to deliver proof that you didn't rape anybody.
@Aga, I highly doubt someone would make claims like that. I know in the US that could lead to a massive court case on slander and fines are tough. Not sure in Italy.
@tr1cky I never said you had to provide proof. I never stated that he can provide proof either. I never stated that he isn't lying either. I am simply stating that with the mess going on, there is a possibly third party that will give as much info as they so want. They don't care about either of you. They are just doing there "job".
Fair enough.
Maybe it was the way I read it, but I was under the impression that you were sure about a government agency investigating this.
I'm not sure why, but I believe could might be the operative word here. Some may think that it's worth the risk, specially if this is a no risk at all in Italy.
@aga in this case the risk makes no sense. Its like having a poker game and tossing in chips with a pair of 2s in your hand. It just doesn't make sense to escalate a situation like this. All techs are meant to remove the escalation of tension, and make the customer feel welcome. This is the exact opposite, and that is why I think something has been done via government or some other solution. This is why he pushed in other threads for @tr1cky to leave after his term was up. It highly sounds like this has put a lot of pressure that he doesn't want on his company.
Do I think @tr1cky is guilty, no. Not until someone provides proof.
In the end most of this thread it really about these two men figuring out there shit in private communications. The rest of us seem to be simply cheering on one side or another based on our own personal beliefs. I say we just wait until things come out in due time.
@Tr1cky, what were you running on your servers in Italy anyways? Seems no one has asked you that.
Teamspeak servers, Tor relays, nothing else.
I believe he was just hosting TeamSpeak³ servers. Damn he beat me to it.
@tr1cky I wonder if they were after the tor relay.
Well, none of the vps was an exit node.
@Tr1cky doesn't matter. Part of the way that tor can be defeated is if a majority of the nodes are controlled. At least that is what I think I saw as the limitation of it. @joepie91 am I correct on this?
Matters a lot. He isn't going to get Interpol after him just for running a relay.
For the record, I also host a Tor node at SeFlow (Italy).
Maybe not after him for a lawsuit, or for jail time. He however would get tapped.
Yeah, I guess it is better to lay low for a little while.
This thread was interesting to read in the beginning, now its just turning into lie after lie by @matteob just be honest man this is LET once you dig a damn whole bro your never gonna get out unless you just cough up the truth somehow you cant lie to a forum full of users with Master Degrees in this field or 10+ years in the systems business man its impossible, there always 10-20 steps ahead of you, anyways I hope it gets better just fix the network man dat 50% packet loss no joke.
@IgniteServers, I doubt you have any room to talk considering the threads I have seen you in.
Maybe if he was selected as an entry guard by someone operating some wanted hidden service, but not very likely at all.
A whistle blower?
Well see now lemme tell you the difference, I don't really care what users on LET think of my company as long as my business is profitable and everything is running smooth and my customers are taken care of, literally I could care less. Unless of course they are my customers. If my network screwed up I wouldn't lie about it I would just tell the truth nor would I come up with bogus information of why its down or screwed up instead of just fixing the problem, also wouldn't be an asshole to the customer complaining about the network via support ticket.
I might say dumb crap on threads or ask retarded questions to gain some knowledge every once in awhile but you'll never see my customer on LET complain about ongoing network issues or bad customer service or ticket support, THAT'S FOR DAMN SURE.
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Would not explain a tap, if they know it is Tor a tap is useless as the traffic over it is always encrypted. It is highly unlikely that someone would tap a middle node, this makes only sense for entry/bridge and exit.
Controlling makes thus no sense either, even if you have root on it you cannot decrypt the data stream.
Here they are: https://atlas.torproject.org/#search/tr1ckynet
I don't know why the seflow servers are still showing.
That is true for entry and bridge nodes as well. And the "middle" nodes are called relay nodes btw. Update: never mind that list bit, apparently they are called "middle relays" after all.
Is it at all possible that they could have cloned your container and kept them running? I see that your servers are acting as guards, which means there is an added level of trust for those using it. Maybe you're protecting a "bad" hidden service or something?
(forgive me if any of the information above is incorrect, there was no research done)
uh, yes, thanks, i know that a middle node is called a relay....
Still makes zero sense as they can't see the traffic, only the way to the next relay.
That's true. I can't see any other reason for a tap then.
Maybe the VPS was broken into by genuine underworld, and that is what is being investigated.
I thought seflow was a ok company, but the way matteo handled this really poor.
Out of all possibilitys listed why matteo did this ("cover up network issues" or "he just does not like OP" I think seflow might just want to let go of LET users maybe, I remember a few times where he mentions that "he has big companys paying for blah blah and they do not require the amount of work that low end users need" (not word for word but along those lines) so maybe he did this to turn away LET members because it takes way more time then he cares for?
Just my 2 silver grains.
https://globe.torproject.org/#/search/query=tr1cky
They could just stop offering 1€ plans...
Indeed. They could simply stop offering 1Eur plans and this bad story will end.
Essentially all a relay sees is the entry (or another relay) and the IP of the next relay (or exit, depending on chain and target) - Only the exit can decode it which makes it the ideal point to capture traffic (that is again useless if the client used SSL or another protocol that is encrypted securely end-to-end) but it cannot be traced back to anything useful (only to a relay, then that to a relay etc.). If you control all servers in a chain you get the info where the client connects from (src IP) and where it connects to (target IP) and the content (if not encrypted), with encryption it is still as safe as directly (if you check for MITM and use secure protocol/ciphers). Not really into hidden services, so no idea about that (or rather i don't comment on it because i'm not sure and cba to research now at 03:59)..