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seflow review - stay far away: Scammers and liars
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The text you quoted literally stated:
So if this situation were similar to threads about Incero, I literally just stated that I wouldn't care and that the buyer could make decisions for themselves.
This situation is entirely different, but rather than understand this you decided to ignore the context, ignore the words, and just take an unnecessary personal jab for no reason.
If you have a problem with me, we can resolve that in private:
@Jar Well your statements sometimes do have something of a "I need to defend my purchase online, no matter how much it sucks" smell. Except it's friends/employer/purchase
People are always going to see what they want to see. If I don't trash talk my friends or employer every time someone here has a beef, then I'm automatically not capable of being impartial. That's the LET standard. At no point have I ever suggested that something that I felt someone did wrong was right because they were a friend, provider, or employer.
I've frequently called out friends, providers, and my past employers when I've seen unfair practices or poor customer support. You just didn't care to read those, I guess. People see what they want to see. I more commonly reply to threads that interest me too, so that obviously lends to your view but doesn't make it right.
Now I will note that if I see an injustice from a present employer, I will not go after them in public. That should be expected. That isn't being partial, that is being intelligent. I have a daughter to feed and clothe. But that hasn't been an issue with my current employer.
"oh my god police pulled over a suspicious dude to check their license and registration and there was traffic because everyone was gawking"
If this were a TV show, it would be one of the most boring I've ever watched. So what exactly is your interest if I may ask?
If it turns out that @matteob was lying he is done as a provider (not just on LET). So i'd like to know the truth
Huh? Is there a global banhammer wielded by LET that I am unaware of?
The only way you will know for sure he was lying (assuming he even was) is if he up and admits it. Where do you see even a remote possibility of that?
If it turns out that when a customer writes a bad review about a provider and that provider then goes public claiming the customer commited crimes (->libel/slander) and is being investigated by the police only an utter and complete moron would ever touch that provider again.
Remember GVH and how many clients their bad publicity brought them?
I think a business that caters to the "utter and complete moron" has a much better chance of success than one catering to people outside that class.
@Seflow
First - Improve your language in Customer support. (People can use Screenshots). Then your services.
Second - Yes, customer should be respected, even some times he is not respecting you. There is no question of cultural differences. There is only one culture in business. Customer - Company.
Third - Stop spreading bullshit. You are making fool of yourself. Oh... You did that already!
We need proofs but matteo has provided nothing and has not mailed tr1cky with the apparent information they are allowed to share.
This topic consists of nothing else than bricks being thrown against a wall. No proofs - just accusations.
So, you are one of the people which think matteo sabotaged himself in order to prove a point in a forum debate. I rest my case.
No, I just want to see proofs that would turn his accusations into facts and give @tr1cky a hard time. And on the other side I also simply want to know the truth from both.
It's just that tr1cky is not going anywhere like matteo does. Matteo was asked to provide proofs but he is always turning away and ignores the request. Evading us all times... Like ah whatever.
Anyway. Whatever. You are making a nice picture of yourself for others
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Matteo was asked for proof he cannot deliver, it would be like asking tr1cky to prove he did not ddos seflow.
I agree matteo handled this very unprofessionally and said it all even before the attacks started, but nothing justifies those, not even a crime, you do not answer a crime with another, even if less horrific.
@Hidden_Refuge that's between @tr1cky and @matteob to figure out. You actually have no need to know on this.
Wait, so we have no need to know if a provider libels clients with lies or not?
Matteo said he would deliver proof (by yesterday).
Also (and this is very important): If he knew he could not proof his allegations, he should have never posted them publicly in the first place.
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And i still didn't attack seflow, don't be so narrow minded.
My point but whatever.
I'm on no ones side now. I know well that tr1cky will have a hard time proving he didn't do anything. And matteo handles things very unprofessional and lies. So whatever. I go into ro mount on this topic.
Hopefully this will find a outcome somehow.
I am not sure what he understood by that, his communication skills are shaky at best might have thought also he can deliver proof but was stopped by police later thing is this is not something you can prove without getting into trouble. However I believe Tr1cky did provide abundant proof himself, at this point there is no need for matteo to prove anything to me, but you can continue to ask for it, it is your right.
Thread cleaned up from that off-topic crap you guys have been posting.
Now stay on topic!
And you, honestly, shut the fuck up..... some of us actually has a job to do and can't police this site 24/7.
Can you point me to the proof? You are just biased, that's all. Good that the law doesn't work like that.
I threw some weird theories in here that were obviously meant sarcastic. Sorry if you didn't get that.
and you should act more professional, if you dislike being mod simply quit, otherwise stop complaining.
Tr1cky doesn't have to proove anything, the burden of proof lies on the alleger. Its "I have proof that you did x" not "I claim that you did x, proove that you didn't do it".
I don't dislike being a mod, I dislike people who tries to look down on me for not being here 24/7 picking up every "bad" thing the second it's posted.
When I have to chose between this unpaid position and the work that actually pays my bills, the choice is easy.
Now back on topic.
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s/actually has/actually have/
Wind your neck in sunshine. Nobody is currently holding you by the balls under threat of pain or worse to do it.
So, @matteob hasn't yet sent anything (i.e. Proof) to @tr1cky , Correct ??
The flaw in this thinking is that neither of the two people you are referring to are making these accusations, rather a government entity is doing the accusations.
Seems like not yet.