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When will SG VPS be available for sale? I guess this is the question that everyone is most concerned about.
@Bayu Internet seems to be faster than their SSD disk? 30 TB is lot for so many people who look for steaming, media.
edit: their plan says nvm https://www.leaseweb.com/en/products-services/cloud/virtual-private-server
But @Bayu , your YABS disks performance shows low
Why they called it vRAM?
We are considering providing Leaseweb VPS based on hourly payment. Reply if you are interested.
No IPv6
Mostly likely they've massively overprovisioned the nodes - especially if people are seeing 30% steal, that's usually a sign that either the CPU is massively loaded or that they're using virtual RAM (i.e. swapping out to disk) and the CPU is trying to run code, but can't get the next instructions.
Overprovisioned RAM and having to swap a lot would also explain bad SSD performance.
Decent providers might overprovision CPU because in reality the majority of VPS are idle most of the disk, and you can sometimes get away with doing that for memory (maybe 10-20%) but only if those machines really are fairly lightly loaded.
But the best providers don't overprovision RAM at all and in fact leave the host OS some spare RAM which will get used for various things including disk caches. This won't entirely stop the host swapping out that RAM to disk (although you can also force that too), but that's not the biggest problem if the RAM isn't being accessed. The problem is when a guest VM does want to use its RAM and thinks it's in RAM, but the host OS keeps swapping it out from underneath it. You'd get a much better experience with less RAM on the guests and more swap, but cheap providers don't do that because people want the biggest numbers for the lowest price.
I think that vRAM is just typo of someone designing that page/content. Even if that was true about swaping, makes no sense for them to "admit it".
Also, RAM is way more "cheaper" than using SWAP.
Regarding IO performance I do not think it's "bad" but just limited (proof is that IO is always same when I test it). This has been LW thing for decade now after that SAN issues they had
Possibly disk are NVMe but on SAN that cause slow I/O? You are right, no provider admit overselling RAM, CPU at least.
It's not slow, it's limited on purpose. That is only way that guarantees both me and you 100MB/s 25k
Yes it looks slow on YABS Result, but still much more better than GP instance. Even in terms of price it is a sligtly cheaper than GP Micro, which I still use until today. At least i/o wait no longer spikes rapidly when running simple processes that involve reading or writing to disk (eg: wget, rsync). This may be due to local storage, rather than using a SAN like a old GP instance package.
Yes, it doesn't support IPV6. I once requested, they gave /112 but it couldn't be used. Then they took it back with the reason that IPV6 is still not supported for VPS. Even though their documentation (kb.leaseweb.com) states otherwise.
So what's the final verdict? Is it good or bad?
Hello Everyone,
Previously, we decided against reselling Leaseweb VPS plans due to several challenges.
Challenges:
High Bandwidth Overuse Costs:
Leaseweb's bandwidth overuse fees are quite high, approximately €10 per additional TB. Many customers may find these costs prohibitive and are unlikely to cover them. This leaves us bearing the burden, which is not sustainable for our operations.
Transaction and Currency Conversion Fees:
Acting as an intermediary involves multiple transaction costs. When we collect payments from customers, we incur gateway and transaction fees. Then, when we pay Leaseweb, additional fees apply, including currency conversion charges (3-4%) and Leaseweb’s payment processing fees (1.6%-3%) ( Check Here ). These cumulative costs amount to nearly 10% of the total, significantly impacting profitability.
Very Low Margins:
With tight margins, reselling Leaseweb VPS plans offers minimal returns. For instance, a 10% margin on a $5 plan equates to just $0.50 per VPS. Even selling 100 such plans would generate only $50 per month, which is not viable considering the associated risks and effort.
Despite these challenges, we have received persistent requests from customers to resell Leaseweb VPS plans. After careful consideration, we have decided to reintroduce these plans with some critical updates to mitigate losses:
Our Terms for Leaseweb VPS Reselling
Bandwidth Management:
Each VPS will come with 25TB of bandwidth. We will reserve 5TB as a buffer to ensure that we can monitor and suspend services before exceeding bandwidth limits.
Pricing:
We will resell at Leaseweb’s original pricing, without any additional discounts. This is because we are already bearing approximately 10% in transaction fees, which includes payment gateway charges, currency conversion fees, and Leaseweb's own transaction fees. Offering discounts on Leaseweb's pricing is not feasible under these conditions. Additionally, we may need to increase prices by up to 10% in the future to account for these operational costs. However, for now, we are striving to keep our pricing aligned with Leaseweb’s original rates.
Minimum Commitment Plans:
To prevent losses from bandwidth overuse in short-term plans, we will only offer half-yearly or longer-term plans. Monthly plans will not be available, as they pose a higher risk if users overuse bandwidth and fail to pay for overages.
Currency for Orders:
All orders will be processed in Singapore Dollars (SGD) to avoid costs associated with currency fluctuations and ensure greater consistency in pricing.
Example Plans and Pricing
We have outlined a few example plans and prices that we plan to offer. Please see the details below:
Leaseweb VPS 1
vCPU: 4
vRAM: 6 GB
NVMe Storage: 100 GB
Traffic: 30 TB Volume (In Our Plan You Will Get 25TB BW)
LSW Monthly Price: S$5.80
View LSW Price
Order Requirement: Minimum half-yearly plan.
Our Price: S$33.06 / half-yearly
Leaseweb VPS 2
vCPU: 6
vRAM: 16 GB
NVMe Storage: 200 GB
Traffic: 30 TB Volume (In Our Plan You Will Get 25TB BW)
LSW Monthly Price: S$13.00
View LSW Price
Order Requirement: Minimum quarterly plan.
Our Price: S$37.83 / quarterly
Leaseweb VPS 3
vCPU: 8
vRAM: 24 GB
NVMe Storage: 300 GB
Traffic: 30 TB Volume (In Our Plan You Will Get 25TB BW)
LSW Monthly Price: S$18.75
View LSW Price
Order Requirement: Minimum quarterly plan.
Our Price: S$54.57 / quarterly
If you are interested in these plans, please let us know. Once we receive enough interest, we will finalize the offerings and start accepting orders.
Thank you for your continued support.
great offers, im in
Actually we would like to see if more users are interested.
Then only we will start offering it, or else this plan selling lsw vps will fail for sure.
BTW which plan you want ?
Good offers, do you offer directadmin panel free too ?
Today I reached io wait values ranging from 60-80 making it unusable. Even saving a simple text file from vim or nano takes 2-3s to complete. Sorry but this is a crappy product. They should raise prices or offering less hardware to get this product stable so it can be used for production workloads.
Leaseweb do not offer free directadmin panel in their vps.
Or maybe i am wrong, can tell you where you read this ?
Leaseweb is giving me trauma.. how do you do that? I can not set any alarms or limits, I can only "null route" my IP.
Was thinking of getting this for a self hosted CDN, is the performance bad for this usecase?
@HostDZire does your reselling vps comes with IPv6?
As far i can see leaseweb vps do not come with ipv6
Still i have asked them to see if they assign ipv6 manually.
If you will be caching assets on those VPS it will be very slow. So I don't think it's a good idea.
Update: Today it seems to be a bit faster, IO wait is down to around 10-20 when writing files. Performance seem to fluctuate a lot.
They didn't approve my request on behalf of a business (did sent the businesses papers and address verification) and no refund also (yet)
Here is reply i got for IPV6
@HostDZire do you have any idea why yabs has too low IOPs while it was advertised as NVMe? You may refer @nik post. One broad assumption is, nvmes over slow SAS like setup. His latest post also mention that even saving a file buffers takes a lot more time.
I wish 48 gb Or more ram for big data RnD work, but I differ not to pick the offer due to reported issue.
I have checked multiple post here, i think they limit it on purpose.
Not entirely sure.
The offer is still on the table 🤔
Its good offer bro, but i look at your website it double price for monthly
VPS 2 or VPS 3 look promising 🤑