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  • @gbzret4d said:

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @JosephF said:

    @Jasonhyperhost said:

    @JosephF said:

    @lowendtalkxdax said:
    Strato offers an integrated and automatic mail archival service. Useful for him since he is required (by law) to keep all of his e-mails archived for at least 10 years. Both their email as well as archival service are fully EU-DSVGO and GoBD compliant + certified with other (marketing) certifications.

    I think your family member cares more about security and integrity of his emails. If he looses part of his archive and gets an unlucky audit, the consequences will be very high, especially for someone in his position.

    In the EU it is illegal for a therapist to delete any of his emails for ten years?

    for Medical and Education i belive it is 8 years (dont quote me on it) but it will be different on a per country basis based on local laws

    So medical and educational personnel cannot delete any emails at all for eight years or irrelevant messages, non-business messages and spam can be deleted?

    Some need to keep backups by law like a lawyer

    I wonder if the law clearly defines what a backup is. Is cp -R * /tmp a backup?

    afaik short answer no.

    https://www.mirrorweb.com/blog/what-are-the-implications-of-gdpr-for-digital-archiving

    Hmm, skimming through i've seen nothing in relation to backup requirements. All i take away is that i likely should chmod 0700 /tmp.

  • edited February 15

    @rcy026 said:

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @JosephF said:

    @Jasonhyperhost said:

    @JosephF said:

    @lowendtalkxdax said:
    Strato offers an integrated and automatic mail archival service. Useful for him since he is required (by law) to keep all of his e-mails archived for at least 10 years. Both their email as well as archival service are fully EU-DSVGO and GoBD compliant + certified with other (marketing) certifications.

    I think your family member cares more about security and integrity of his emails. If he looses part of his archive and gets an unlucky audit, the consequences will be very high, especially for someone in his position.

    In the EU it is illegal for a therapist to delete any of his emails for ten years?

    for Medical and Education i belive it is 8 years (dont quote me on it) but it will be different on a per country basis based on local laws

    So medical and educational personnel cannot delete any emails at all for eight years or irrelevant messages, non-business messages and spam can be deleted?

    Some need to keep backups by law like a lawyer

    I wonder if the law clearly defines what a backup is. Is cp -R * /tmp a backup?

    Well, the law states that it should be saved in such a way so that if asked, you are able to retrieve it. And of course, if it contains sensitive information it needs to be properly protected as defined in other laws.
    If you feel safe doing a copy to /tmp, than sure, it's a backup. If it fails, you get fined or go to jail.

    Well, no system is 100% foolproof, isn't it? As long as there are no unforeseeable events i can always copy stuff back from /tmp. As stated above i'll even secure it by running chmod 0700 /tmp so no other users will be able to even to come somewhat near the data.

  • @totally_not_banned

    If you have your business in Germany, it's really difficult.

    Email and accounting software companies must apply for a GoBD certification. Using software without such certification is illegal. Starting from 2019 or something, I think. It got delayed by the corona virus, but now in 2024 it's an definitely an obligation.

    (GoBD basically means all data is immutable. If changes occur, they must be fully logged + every iteration of changes including the original file all have to be stored. In short: you are not allowed to permanently delete any file or rewriting any file)

  • edited February 15

    @lowendtalkxdax said:
    @totally_not_banned

    If you have your business in Germany, it's really difficult.

    Email and accounting software companies must apply for a GoBD certification. Using software without such certification is illegal. Starting from 2019 or something, I think. It got delayed by the corona virus, but now in 2024 it's an definitely an obligation.

    (GoBD basically means all data is immutable. If changes occur, they must be fully logged + every iteration of changes including the original file all have to be stored. In short: you are not allowed to permanently delete any file or rewriting any file)

    I guess there's one more reason to use paper and write actual letters then ;)

    In reality it'll likely come down to people keeping the least amount of records humanly possible in general and only log those in at the very last date humanly possible.

  • ascicodeascicode Member
    edited February 15

    Up to 10y holding files on a backup server is a propper desicion. Today longer than your life, cause yea, no one knows the last breath and whats happen..everything is documented.

  • @packetnext said:
    There are some providers mentioned here - Fastmail, mailfence, tutanota, proton, inbox, which as opposed to Mxroute/Mailcheap/Inleed, ask for a price per mailbox instead of per GB.

    inbox.eu has per mailbox pricing with very large storage per mailbox at very inexpensive pricing.

  • The million dollar question regarding many of these smaller email outfits is, how does anyone know that the principals of these mom and pop shops don't snoop on their customers emails when they're bored or are looking for excitement or are drunk.

  • hyperhostsolutionshyperhostsolutions Member, Patron Provider

    @gbzret4d said:

    @Jasonhyperhost said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Hello,
    im a pretty happy customer at mxroute but i need an alternative for email hosting and it must be in the EU. Company must be be registered in the EU and the server must be located in the EU too.

    What i need is:
    10GB space
    25 addresses
    pop and smtp support
    bring your own domain

    Please suggest me some providers!

    @gbzret4d if your happy to have your emails in the UK we could be happy to have you on our services.

    We offer IMAP, POP , SMTP Support
    Multiple 10GB Mailboxes with ability to upgrade storage
    Use your Own domains
    Multiple addresses
    Forwarders
    Catch all
    auto-responders ect
    Daily backups included

    GDPR Compliant
    can provide our ICO Certification on request

    contact us to proceed if this sounds like what your interested in

    Sorry but it need to be in the EU

    If you require in the EU , we can offer D> @JosephF said:

    @Jasonhyperhost said:

    @JosephF said:

    @Jasonhyperhost said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Hello,
    im a pretty happy customer at mxroute but i need an alternative for email hosting and it must be in the EU. Company must be be registered in the EU and the server must be located in the EU too.

    What i need is:
    10GB space
    25 addresses
    pop and smtp support
    bring your own domain

    Please suggest me some providers!

    @gbzret4d if your happy to have your emails in the UK we could be happy to have you on our services.

    We offer IMAP, POP , SMTP Support
    Multiple 10GB Mailboxes with ability to upgrade storage
    Use your Own domains
    Multiple addresses
    Forwarders
    Catch all
    auto-responders ect
    Daily backups included

    GDPR Compliant
    can provide our ICO Certification on request

    contact us to proceed if this sounds like what your interested in

    Are you on the 20i platform?

    we have a blend we use 20i currently , but slowly moving clients over to our own hosting in batches depening on there current use, and being contacted in batches to update there records

    Is the email hosting you're currently offering on 20i or in-house?

    Either 20i if you want the stack panel or if you happy with Cyberpanel we can provide on our Cyberpanel / Direct admin hosting servers which we are moving clients away from 20i towards our own variant.

  • @gbzret4d

    I'm a happy client since a few years of https://www.servermx.com . I have never researched their GDPR compliance, however the company is registered in Italy and the servers are in OVH France (they were in Germany a while back IIRC).

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  • @quicksilver03 said:
    @gbzret4d

    I'm a happy client since a few years of https://www.servermx.com . I have never researched their GDPR compliance, however the company is registered in Italy and the servers are in OVH France (they were in Germany a while back IIRC).

    Thanks will take a look at their website

  • Why inleed using such bad tld for free email? not like they can't afford couple more dollar for better tld?

    Just create an account and their confirm email go to spam folder for obvious reason. after login, their UI is too simple and bad, for example, when enable 2fa, it only provide QR image but no security code in text, so I have to install some qr code scanner to get the text. and you can create another email account with another poor domain name...

    They maybe nice people, but seems not very PRO...

  • jlet88jlet88 Member
    edited February 18

    @JosephF said:
    The million dollar question regarding many of these smaller email outfits is, how does anyone know that the principals of these mom and pop shops don't snoop on their customers emails when they're bored or are looking for excitement or are drunk.

    The billion dollar question regarding ANY email provider is, how do you know if they are not snooping on their customers?

    And I'll give you the short answer for free: you don't.

    So it's all about degrees of trust, risk, and who you are trying to protect your email from... and then we get back to doing a proper threat assessment, which I won't get into in this thread. The curious can explore what that really means.

    And then, once you understand your own unique threat assessment, you can deploy the best solution for your situation, which balances out realistic trust and risk factors... which may or may not be the best solution for anyone else.

    But most people don't care and aren't ever going to even think about it, and therefore, they delegate such important matters to the impatient click of a button on a user agreement consent form, and/or surrender their trust to popular trends and opinions, or to fallible and often corrupt institutions, businesses, or governments, who all say they have your interests in mind.

    Cheers! And no offense intended to anyone.

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  • @jlet88

    The billion dollar question regarding ANY email provider is, how do you know if they are not snooping on their customers?

    This isn't a billion dollar question. I don't think it's even a question. We are definitely being watched :) If not now, then when a 3-letter agency asks the provider. Ask @jar if you want.

    I use various methods to be watched on 4 continents :) Anyone who wants can easily reach me.

    I use Yandex360 for privacy. I automatically forward these mails to Gmail for added privacy. I will add another Hotmail forwarding soon for redundancy. I will find a CN mail provider for geo-distribution.

    privacy is important :)

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  • I'm also looking for cheap emails

  • emghemgh Member
    edited February 19

    @webdev said:
    Why inleed using such bad tld for free email? not like they can't afford couple more dollar for better tld?

    Just create an account and their confirm email go to spam folder for obvious reason. after login, their UI is too simple and bad, for example, when enable 2fa, it only provide QR image but no security code in text, so I have to install some qr code scanner to get the text. and you can create another email account with another poor domain name...

    They maybe nice people, but seems not very PRO...

    Use custom domain, that’s the main point of it

    They can afford a better TLD, but they use those for their actual business: .com, .net, and a bunch of local domains like .se

    Obviously it’s a simple interface, it’s a fully FREE product with zero ads or marketing. They offer their paid plans on their main website for anyone with higher requirements

    They also operate their own datacenter, and they’re ICANN certified. According to LET standards, they’re the most ”PRO” that there is..

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  • hyperhostsolutionshyperhostsolutions Member, Patron Provider

    @dreampower said:
    I'm also looking for cheap emails

    drop me a message if you after cheap email hosting can sort you out a deal based on what you need @dreampower

  • jlet88jlet88 Member
    edited February 19

    @tra10000 said: We are definitely being watched.... 3-letter agency....

    Of course that is correct, but that wasn't the central point of my post.

    My main point was in response to @JosephF about his point about how anyone would know whether or not "these mom and pop shops don't snoop on their customers ... when they're bored..." etc. -- it was not about mass government surveillance, which is a related, but different issue of course.

    The issue I responded primarily to was about how you could trust small providers to not "snoop," when in fact that same basic trust issue was about ANY provider, large or small, about trusting them to not "snoop" on you. Then I discuss degrees of trust and risk in general, which ultimately leads to a threat assessment, wherein the whole trust/risk equation is evaluated for each person's unique situations. That threat assessment would potentially include your government surveillance concerns IF that is part of your threat assessment, which may or may not be part of someone else's threat assessment. This is an important distinction I feel it is important to reply to you about, to make it clear to the handful of people who actually care about the nuances of this particular issue. And of course, any more on this will go way OT, which I want to avoid.

    Then my post ends with a somewhat melancholic reflection on the state of society that most people don't care about this stuff at all, with the larger implications of delegated and mislaid trust to organizations that say they have our interests in mind.

    But again, your point about three-letter agencies is obviously correct, but it is not the focus of my response. Cheers!

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  • jlet88jlet88 Member
    edited February 19

    @emgh - good to know that Inleed provides free email with custom domains and no ads. They do seem like a very legit provider from what I can tell on first search. What's the catch, if any? Basically an upsell to their paid services? Or are there any other drawbacks? Limits/quota/deliverability/reliability?

    But in any case, it actually looks pretty good TBH.

    EDIT: I like that they appear to own at least one data center and they are also ICANN accredited, which means they've done a LOT of paperwork and dealt with compliance issues for a while, which is a good thing if you say you are GDPR compliant. That doesn't by default mean they are more trustworthy or "better" than smaller providers, but it's worth noting that they are definitely not a fly-by-night business in someone's basement.

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  • JosephFJosephF Member
    edited February 19

    @jlet88 said:
    @emgh - good to know that Inleed provides free email with custom domains and no ads. They do seem like a very legit provider from what I can tell on first search. What's the catch, if any? Basically an upsell to their paid services? Or are there any other drawbacks? Limits/quota/deliverability/reliability?

    But in any case, it actually looks pretty good TBH.

    Well, not to be a spoil sport, but Skiff was also a legit provider who provided free email with custom domains.

  • @JosephF said:

    @jlet88 said:
    @emgh - good to know that Inleed provides free email with custom domains and no ads. They do seem like a very legit provider from what I can tell on first search. What's the catch, if any? Basically an upsell to their paid services? Or are there any other drawbacks? Limits/quota/deliverability/reliability?

    But in any case, it actually looks pretty good TBH.

    Well, not to be a spoil sport, but Skiff was also a legit provider who provided free email with custom domains.

    Yep. The catch with Skiff was that they were a VC-funded Silicon Valley startup with an unsustainable business model on a short leash from their VC overlords at Sequoia. Who whudda thought Sequoia would pull the plug like that, so suddenly?

    So that's why I asked what the catch was with Inleed.

    From what I can tell, there are no real similarities between Inleed and Skiff, except the "free" part. But what is really included in the "free"? What are the limits? Is the Inleed business model sustainable? Well, it looks like it's much more realistic than what Skiff was offering, which was, in retrospect, that kind of Silicon Valley model of investing millions of dollars to gain marketshare and then later monetize. Except they clearly couldn't monetize in Skiff's case.

    So maybe there is some other catch with Inleed? Hence why I asked about limits/quota/deliverability/reliability...

    In any case, the business models of Inleed and Skiff appear to be a thousand miles apart. But I do agree it is good to be skeptical and raise questions about any services, especially one that offers something for "free."

  • emghemgh Member

    @jlet88 said: What's the catch, if any?

    Small inbox size. Not sure otherwise. It's been a long time since I used them for hosting. I'm just a happy domain client :)

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  • emghemgh Member

    @jlet88 said: Is the Inleed business model sustainable?

    Yup - https://www.allabolag.se/5569316788/yelles-ab

  • https://inleed.xyz has no smtp/pop3 correct?

  • emghemgh Member

    @hyperblast said:
    https://inleed.xyz has no smtp/pop3 correct?

    Incorrect

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  • @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:
    https://inleed.xyz has no smtp/pop3 correct?

    Incorrect

    oh.

  • rcy026rcy026 Member
    edited February 19

    @JosephF said:

    @jlet88 said:
    @emgh - good to know that Inleed provides free email with custom domains and no ads. They do seem like a very legit provider from what I can tell on first search. What's the catch, if any? Basically an upsell to their paid services? Or are there any other drawbacks? Limits/quota/deliverability/reliability?

    But in any case, it actually looks pretty good TBH.

    Well, not to be a spoil sport, but Skiff was also a legit provider who provided free email with custom domains.

    The difference is that Skiff's only business was free email, while Inleed is a profitable company that have made money for over a decade in everything from development to hosting. Inleed runs the free email thing as kind of a side project, not a business.

    But personally, as good as Inleed seems, I actually value my email and would not use a free service to host it. For testing and playing around, sure. For business, no.

  • @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:
    https://inleed.xyz has no smtp/pop3 correct?

    Incorrect

    we have to motivate inIeed to become active here, don't we? ;)

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • iKeyZiKeyZ Veteran

    @jlet88 said:

    After seeing them mentioned here, I've tried a couple of their other services and seems pretty solid. I've asked a few questions about colocation and they've been very quick & friendly at responding and answered everything I've asked.

    Will likely colocate some equipment there once I find an easy way to ship it over there!

    Thanked by 2emgh jlet88
  • @hyperblast said:

    @emgh said:

    @hyperblast said:
    https://inleed.xyz has no smtp/pop3 correct?

    Incorrect

    we have to motivate inIeed to become active here, don't we? ;)

    with a $1 domain?

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