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New: Joshua Moon Didn’t Realize the LLC He Was Operating Kiwi Farms Through Was Dissolved
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There is a lot of content on the internet that I do not like. You know what I do about it?
I don't visit it. I don't focus on it. I don't spend time wondering how I can make it so other people can't visit it, either.
You're redirecting from the fact the context of that comment was because I was being called a "leftist" and minimalized as writing a hit piece on KiwiFarms because of that fact. Not true.
I wrote an article on KiwiFarms because it's a cesspool, and I put alt-right in the title because the community shares seriously alt-right views, as seen in the Telegram.
Constant minimization and trying to change the narrative to some kind "social justice" or "kf activist" thing is weak. It's not. It's a guy who wrote an article on a site with no rules that creates vile, vile content as a cause and effect.
Points argued in the article still have not changed. Not going in circles again with you. You're not even talking about the article.
The article literally says:
"It’s entirely up to Joshua Moon to decide how he wants to draw that line and moderate it, but he chooses to simply not draw that line at all. That’s where the issues come from.
You could make the argument laws should exist to enforce hate speech on the internet like Frederick was suggesting earlier, but…
That comes down entirely to perspective, too.
You have to be careful when you start making laws to censor speech because as we’ve seen time and time again in the past opening the door to a tiny bit of censorship can quickly turn into widescale censorship beyond the original intentions, which, of course… is bad for the people."
Besides the point, I'm 99% sure you're @treesmokah and you're biased anyways being a user of KiwiFarms.
I am not treesmokah, otherwise I would be banned for alting already, the mods know I am not treesmokah
I am also not a KF user nor have I have stated I was.
All I was criticizing you about was you mentioning xTom while 2 clicks would make it clear it was tube-hosting, I even made a video for you so next time you can be more accurate and leave others alone.
You said we need regualtion and you said that Josh needs to start so his upstreams don't have to, so I asked what else should be regulated other than legal stuff because that is being done already.
Josh draws the line where US laws draw the line.
Why is @treesmokah banned?
this is why i prefer talking to proper nazis over these people, they have the balls to admin their beliefs, instead of whining over someone calling them alt right. are your values so weak that you cant admit it to others?
Why did you assume I'm some kind of alt-righter? Because I comment on KiwiFarms in unbiased way and its shocking to you?
Everyone reading this thread please pause and click this link:
https://lowendtalk.com/profile/comments/neckbreaker
It's pretty clear where your stand, and where the opposition in this thread stands. Miscommunication and errors all around, and nobody is going to back down.
That being said, I can't think of a worse take than handing over your 1st amendment rights to corporations for safe-keeping. Especially an upstream, can you imagine CenturyLink regulating your 1A? A horrible take, and definitely adds flavor to comments here. If you're not American, then I can understand the lack of understanding/care.
I don't care for KF, don't visit it, never will, nor do I care for the constant attention it's detractors/drama queens provide. Despite not being illegal, they've been relegated to near obscurity on the internet. Unfortunately, it sets a horrible precedent. Someday the outrage machine and "regulators" will turn on you or something you enjoy, despite not being illegal.
I know it sounds ridiculous today but look at how we creep closer with things like the RESTRICT ACT in Congress. Today it's KF, tomorrow its TikTok or your VPN provider.
I never said anything close to that. I simply said true free speech or free markets don't work. They require regulation.
India set a great precedence for that.
@SirFoxy why are you ignoring me?
What would you regulate? What words should be illegal in your opinion?
Because this will go in circles for years and I don't get paid to reply to you.
wasnt cf ok with hosting kf until some of you took the harassment irl? I remember seeing an image outside keffal's hotel with paper or something posted on the site with a sus message. that should be a good place to draw the line.
No.
It was posted on 4chan first, not even KiwiFarms.
CF dropped because of threats to human lifes, no one ever provided proof there was.
You can't control what your users do irl, January 6 was mostly organized on Facebook, and Facebook did nothing. No one is blaming Facebook for what happened they blame Trump and Trump supporters.
Going back through your post history, join date, and similarity to @treesmokah there is no way you're not a KiwiFarms user.
Even on other adjacent threads posted by other users on topics like TerraHost you can see your obviously pro-KiwiFarms viewpoints on it.
They were using TerraHost in some capacity the entire time. You're right, I was wrong about xTom but I was right about the actual host mentioned in that same post that mentioned xTom briefly at the end with the wordage "seems like" (they posted here on this thread, you can see it!)
Suggesting that Joshua Moon's upstreams have to regulate his legal content for him is exactly that. They don't have the right, nor the legal authority to do so. Luckily, a handful of states in the US also passed net neutrality laws to cement this. Washington State being one of them
Besides, what is "true free speech"?
I don't know the story here, but CF dropping them was surprising. I'd assume VC/financial pressure too strong, found a workable excuse to drop them. A paper with a 'sus message' could have been put up by anyone, including the person reporting it. Important to rely on law enforcement for these kinds of matters, imo.
If KF was removed for breaking laws, no tears shed. Removing something because you don't like what it says? Change the channel. Especially now that you have to go out of your way to see what they're even saying these days--almost like the KF drama queens are masochists.
I am not treesmokah, I talk to him sometimes but I am not him, There is also no proof I am a KF user and I have posted many stuff that has nothing to do with KF. I am a pro freedom of expression person as stated in my footer and KF is in an interesting situation. I am pro freedom, but not a KF user.
Tube-Hosting was in this chat, you never mentioned tube-hosting so no you was not right about the actual host, I was right. You said it looked like their Tor was hosted on TerraHost while it was obviously not, it was 1 click research to know they used vsys and one of their other companies.
Can someone solve this mystery? @Arkas
I see his name being thrown a lot, what did he do to get banned?
Okay, let's create an example:
Let's say you host a forum about manufacturing bombs (a customer of yours owns the forum, not you) and a user on that forum takes one of those bombs and blows up a business killing a bunch of people.
Is it still "free speech" to keep that site online after seeing negative consequences? Would you let that website stay up on Crunchbits?
This alone is illegal. Rest of your post doesn't even have to be read, as its not anywhere close to Kiwifarms. Congratulations, you learned nothing.
I'm just trying to understand. Are you saying limits to speech are okay then?
DRAW THE LINE WHERE THE COURTS DRAW THE LINE IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING THE WHOLE TIME.
That's my favorite part of internet censorship. When the same thing gets posted on whateverchan, Facebook, and Instagram, all of them delete it, and only whateverchan gets deplatformed. Then people try to say it's about safety and not about censoring communities of different ideologies.
Manufacturing bombs is not speech.
I don't know what to tell you, you are certainly special.
So why exactly are you arguing with me about "regulations" being a requirement if you understand there needs to be limit to speech?
Why is it shocking we already require regulation to prevent bad things?
Why is it so shocking to ask Josh to slightly moderate his site to prevent bad things and as a cause and effect likely he could remain on the clearnet?
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stfu lmao, tf does that even mean? the people in kiwifarms dont represent the website / community? Why not use the same logic for people you like to bully?
would a person that frequents https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/ be considered a leftist?
Josh is already following all the laws to keep his site US legal, You said more regulations and I asked what regulations are you talking about because he already follows the laws.