New: Joshua Moon Didn’t Realize the LLC He Was Operating Kiwi Farms Through Was Dissolved

neckbreaker

@SirFoxy said: prevent bad things

What bad things are you talking about?
There is NO evidence of any suicide being caused by KF.
There is NO evidence of any irl harassment.

neverain

@jar said:

@kait said:

@neverain said: wasnt cf ok with hosting kf until some of you took the harassment irl? I remember seeing an image outside keffal's hotel with paper or something posted on the site with a sus message. that should be a good place to draw the line.

CF dropped because of threats to human lifes, no one ever provided proof there was.
You can't control what your users do irl, January 6 was mostly organized on Facebook, and Facebook did nothing. No one is blaming Facebook for what happened they blame Trump and Trump supporters.

That's my favorite part of internet censorship. When the same thing gets posted on whateverchan, Facebook, and Instagram, all of them delete it, and only whateverchan gets deplatformed. Then people try to say it's about safety and not about censoring communities of different ideologies.

facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

whateverchan promotes terrorism

neckbreaker

@neverain said: facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

No, they don't.

@neverain said: whateverchan promotes terrorism

How? By allowing LEGAL speech to remain on their website?

You are out of touch man. You either live in some shithole like Germany or France and are used to copying with general retardation around you. They take your rights away, and you do nothing about it.
People that fought for your country liberty would spit at your face.

Mumbly

@crunchbits said: Today it's KF, tomorrow its TikTok or your VPN provider.

This logic is flawed. What about KF victims? While some of you bullshit about "freedom of speech" for bullies what about the freedom of speech of their victims? Freedom to express themself without being harassed, doxed, swatted, etc?

From my standpoint KF isn't victim and those upstreams protect "freedom of speech" (or whatever...) ob bullied party in this story. They speak in the name of harassed, bullied minority - because that's the right thing to do.

I encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech".
Their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. If you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been harming their free speech.
Free speech is for everybody, not just the people who have opinions you agree with, and being openly trans is a form of speech.

crunchbits

@SirFoxy said:
Okay, let's create an example:

Let's say you host a forum about manufacturing bombs and a user on that forum takes one of those bombs and blows up a business killing a bunch of people.

Is it still "free speech" to keep that site online after seeing negative consequences? Would you let that website stay up on Crunchbits?

Quite the strawman. You've been going really hard on the personal user attacks and then accusing everyone you disagree with as being @treesmokah, and now this?

Am I @treesmokah? Is he in the room with us right now?

I wouldn't knowingly host a forum about that because it's illegal. Is your definition of free speech the same as the US constitution and currently existing legal framework? Or are we going to get into libertarian extremist gotcha's?

That'll be my last post in here. I just hope more e-drama click-chasing tabloid stuff is not the future direction of all LEB articles.

@SirFoxy said:

So why exactly are you arguing with me about "regulations" being a requirement if you understand there needs to be limit to speech?

Why is it shocking we already require regulation to prevent bad things?

Why is it so shocking to ask Josh to slightly moderate his site to prevent bad things and as a cause and effect likely he could remain on the clearnet?

Because those regulations are already defined (and protected) by US law. Not by Zayo, Facebook, or anyone else.

neverain

@neckbreaker said:

@neverain said: facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

No, they don't.

istg are the same person who wouldve said that say that facebook censors people, if this was a different argument

neverain

@neckbreaker said: @neverain said: whateverchan promotes terrorism

How? By allowing LEGAL speech to remain on their website?

You are out of touch man. You either live in some shithole like Germany or France and are used to copying with general retardation around you.

my brother in christ, kf went down after you planned to harrass keffals irl

neckbreaker

@neverain said:

@neckbreaker said:

@neverain said: facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

No, they don't.

@neverain said: whateverchan promotes terrorism

How? By allowing LEGAL speech to remain on their website?

istg are the same person who wouldve said that say that facebook censors people, if this was a different argument

They do censor people, and they do allow criminal and terrorist activity on their platform.
Just look for Antifa groups.

@neverain said:

@neckbreaker said: @neverain said: whateverchan promotes terrorism

How? By allowing LEGAL speech to remain on their website?

You are out of touch man. You either live in some shithole like Germany or France and are used to copying with general retardation around you.

my brother in christ, kf went down after you planned to harrass keffals irl

prove it

kait

@neverain said: my brother in christ, kf went down after you planned to harrass keffals irl

proof or it didn't happen

kait

I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

neverain

https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

Kiwifarms has frequently been host to revolting content. Revolting content alone does not create an emergency situation that necessitates the action we are taking today. Beginning approximately two weeks ago, a pressure campaign started with the goal to deplatform Kiwifarms. That pressure campaign targeted Cloudflare as well as other providers utilized by the site.

Cloudflare provided security services to Kiwifarms, protecting them from DDoS and other cyberattacks. We have never been their hosting provider. As we outlined last Wednesday, we do not believe that terminating security services is appropriate, even to revolting content. In a law-respecting world, the answer to even illegal content is not to use other illegal means like DDoS attacks to silence it.

We are also not taking this action directly because of the pressure campaign. While we have empathy for its organizers, we are committed as a security provider to protecting our customers even when they run deeply afoul of popular opinion or even our own morals. The policy we articulated last Wednesday remains our policy. We continue to believe that the best way to relegate cyberattacks to the dustbin of history is to give everyone the tools to prevent them.

However, as the pressure campaign escalated, so did the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site. Feeling attacked, users of Kiwifarms became even more aggressive. Over the last two weeks, we have proactively reached out to law enforcement in multiple jurisdictions highlighting what we believe are potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life that were posted to the site.

ofc youll now say that someone else posted this or that the account was hacked lol

neckbreaker

@kait said:
I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

I'd especially look for LEB, its often first point of contact for new users, and they get blasted with buzzfeed-quality articles with clickbait titles.

SirFoxy

@kait said:
I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

Aren't you both asking for censorship of an opposing viewpoint? While saying "free speech is good."

neckbreaker

@neverain said:
https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/

This is not proof.
You are insanely dumb.

@SirFoxy said:

@kait said:
I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

Aren't you both asking for censorship of an opposing viewpoint? While saying "free speech is good."

opposing viewpoint has to be VALID, GENUINE, FACTUAL.
All we are saying is that you are a fucking LIAR.

Mumbly

@kait said:
I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

It started in November 2022 when all the garbage from KF came here.
You know what's the real solution here, right? Then do the right thing.

neverain

@neckbreaker said: This is not proof.
You are insanely dumb

give me proof that the reason was something else

neckbreaker

@neverain said:

@neckbreaker said: This is not proof.
You are insanely dumb

give me proof that the reason was something else

It doesn't work like that.
Have you ever looked at how law works?

neverain

@neckbreaker said: They do censor people, and they do allow criminal and terrorist activity on their platform.

Just look for Antifa groups.

what a retard, antifa also gets banned lmao, they just dont cry about it online

siemens

@neverain said:

facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

whateverchan promotes terrorism

Remind me, was the New Zealand shooting streamed on some chan or kiwifarms? Is the platform that it was being streamed on still happily online with no issues?

kait

@Mumbly said:

@kait said:
I vote for a closure of this discussion, like crunchbitch said, lets keep LET and LEB a bit cleaner from all the accusing without any proof.

It started in November 2022 when all the garbage from KF came here.
You know what's the real solution here, right? Then do the right thing.

Yeah the real solution is that people like sirfoxy need to do a better job and don't bring xtom into this

@SirFoxy said: Aren't you both asking for censorship of an opposing viewpoint? While saying "free speech is good."

Do you want to keep going then? Free speech is good but if you keep posting stuff about "it looks like xTom is the upstream" while it isn't you keep the dumb discussions going.

neckbreaker

@siemens said:

@neverain said:

facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

whateverchan promotes terrorism

Remind me, was the New Zealand shooting streamed on some chan or kiwifarms? Is the platform that it was being streamed on still happily online with no issues?

Most of mass shootings were streamed on Facebook, Instagram or other common platforms.
NONE of them was broadcasted on some "dark web", "alt-right" website.

kait

@neverain said: give me proof that the reason was something else

Can't proof a negative

neverain

@siemens said:

@neverain said:

facebook allows every kind of ideologies to spread, they just put a stop to it one the ideology starts to plan terrorism

whateverchan promotes terrorism

Remind me, was the New Zealand shooting streamed on some chan or kiwifarms? Is the platform that it was being streamed on still happily online with no issues?

my brother, twitch did not keep the video up and share it to its viewers and praise it

neckbreaker

@neverain said: my brother, twitch did not keep the video up and share it to its viewers and praise it

The only reason for that is AD's, they cant monetize it, and maybe media outcry.
Other than that, they are 100% legally able to keep it up.

kait

@neverain said: my brother, twitch did not keep the video up and share it to its viewers and praise it

Yeah lets make it so no one can watch what horrible thing happened, if some deranged people praise it who cares. I watched it and was "damn what a deranged person, I hope this doesn't happen more often", the video had way more impact than all the news shit.

neverain

@kait said:

@neverain said: my brother, twitch did not keep the video up and share it to its viewers and praise it

Yeah lets make it so no one can watch what horrible thing happened, if some deranged people praise it who cares. I watched it and was "damn what a deranged person, I hope this doesn't happen more often", the video had way more impact than all the news shit.

here take this. you are probably running out of it

jar

So much comes down to:

Everyone has been brainwashed to believe that people who by default agree with the ideology opposite of theirs is by default accepting of the most extreme opinions of other people who agree with the same ideology. But also believing that people who agree with their ideology are not by default accepting of the most extreme individuals among believers of that ideology.

So it's like: by default those people are evil because there are evil among them, but I am not by default evil despite also having evil among my group.

And no one will ever change, because the brainwashing has given purpose to their otherwise boring lives and they're not going back.

kait

@neverain said: here take this. you are probably running out of it

Nah, I have plenty left, also good constructed argument that adds a ton of value.

kait

@jar are you treesmokah?

jar

@kait said:
@jar are you treesmokah?

I hope not, otherwise I've got bigger problems than allergies.