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Journey from Zero to Provider Tag
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hehehe
Good luck to you bro
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Just a hunch, but I think that ship has sailed after he tried to serve LowEndPie.
Just curious, how is that blackmail?
If it has no value, it will expire in a year, and I intend to redirect that domain to @HalfEatenPie's LET profile as well.
It's not my intention to stir up trouble; this is LET; why would I do something that will harm my business in the feature?
I've been experimenting with various methods to raise funds in private, such as reselling VPS, Web Hosting, and some pre-configured VPN servers.
You can ignore it or simply say "No," @HalfEatenPie, or I can give it to you if you prefer.
I believe I said "I'm not expecting anything," and while it's a "Wild Idea," it doesn't imply any form of blackmail; I bought that domain for fun.
If everything goes well, I will gain influence in LET and some initial connections with big players like @HalfEatenPie, but it has been misunderstood.
But yeah, the issue has been made but it will not stop my journey to becoming one of the LET providers. This discussion is intended to track my journey anyway; the more traction, the better.
It's the matrix.
@JamesRoi,
You've mentioned multiple times on a public forum that:
Your message to me stated:
What was your expected outcome of the message? This is not a request for cooperation. This is not a negotiation. This is not a message of help. This message was pretty clear, wrapped with a nervous "hehehe" at the end like a UwU talk. This was "hey I bought a domain name that has your username on it, some other irrelevant information, and I want you to give me money to buy it from me". You also mentioned in public that you're trying to fundraise in private. Who knows maybe you messaged other community members and did similar things.
You requested cash for the domain name. Full-stop. You can't say "I can give it to you if you prefer" because you never said that to begin with. Sure you can experiment with various methods to raise funds but this one was taken as a threat and you have to recognize, you're the one who asked me for money so the way I read it and interpret it matters. As you can tell I did not take the message in a positive light.
Again, you said you need money, and yet you "bought that domain for fun". In a market sector where competition is the difference of a dollar (especially when starting out, and you've complained multiple times about how you're losing money from your 3 months of business...), what you showed me here is that you don't manage it well. You're willing to spend a few dollars buying a domain and then trying to message people to buy it off of you instead of actually spending that time (and money) figuring out what's an actionable way to growth.
You're welcome to do whatever you wish and I'm happy to chalk it up to a misunderstanding, but I'm not interested in helping you and I think you need to re-evaluate what lines you're willing to cross for your experimentation, because this idea didn't help you. Others are welcome to make their own decisions based on what happened here.
Edit: I should add. This post is not because of where you're from, or your difficulties, or your stories. This is purely based on our interaction here on this forum. It wasn't pleasant.
Will show bobs for server parts
You may as redirect it to Elon Musk's Twitter page - he doesn't want it either.
... and domain speculation.
It really feels like you were trying to make a quick buck, got caught, and now using the excuse it was for "fun" (not profit) instead of taking ownership and acknowledging that you screwed up. You even called it "Targeted Domain Sniping" in your PM to @HalfEatenPie !! If I registered JamesRoi.cx and redirected it to pornhub.com for "fun", how would you feel?
What other "big players" domain names did you register and offer for sale to LET members? If you truly want to make initial connections and gain influence on LET, maybe now's the time to be completely transparent.
It's tracked you tieing your shoelaces together and tripping and hitting the pavement pretty hard to date, ROI = 0.
James nevergonna Roi
@HalfEatenPie is still being exceptionally helpful with that explanation. You would have likely had a better shot if you just asked him to lend you $10. Could have also made a cool 'thing' out of the domain names tied to some new product. Instead you went straight for the gutter in all aspects of your approach.
I will private fund $100 for kidrock.com 😁
If there's any psychology major in the thread, can someone explain to me if the phenomenon here is an instance of a "bucket of crabs" mentality? i.e. "bucks are hard for me, no quick buck for you, hehe" ?
Nope, the idea is dont find unrealistic shortcuts.
I am pretty sure there are people who are willing to help you if only you have been honest and have a proper business plan.
Nothing comes for free in this world, good luck!
Sorry if I gave you that impression; I'm new to the business world and have been focused on technical matters. This is also my first time in an international forum, so I've been doing my best to engage in a conversation with people here.
I really just bought that domain for fun and to make some initial connections while on it. Why would I risk my reputation in LET if I intend to do future business here?
Thank you for this explanation and take this as an advise, I'll explain myside aswell to clear up some misunderstanding;
• I have stated publicly that "I need money" to start this business in order to support my hobby. In my homelab, I experiment some things with proxmox on a tiny computer before taking it into production level.
• I have stated in public that I live in a developing country because it is where technology is prevalent in our country, but the minimum salary is horrible at $9.75 per day for 9 hours - 1 hour (breaktime), but I do have more than the bare minimum, which allows me to support my hobby even a little (tho it cost me fortune to do)
Also, in our country, if someone offers you something like this and you don't use it for some sht, it's fun because they recognize your value; if we are offended, we tell it in private message because it is regarded as "clout chasing" in our country. That is also one of the reasons why I consider to initiate private conversations instead of discussions.
Also, in our country, we are taught the value of "Bayanihan," which means that even if you cannot offer monetary value, you can offer something similar in value (for ex; knowledge). You can help others without giving them money. Knowledge is power, knowledge have more value than anything specially for a startup like me.
I don't blame @HalfEatenPie or the others in that private conversation for their initial impression. It's probably normal in this field of business because I believe getting duped is normal here lol
Which other LET users did you purchase domain names "for"?
So you can't offer monetary value, except you used monetary value to purchase a domain name which you then asked for monetary value (at a profit) for? It's a bit late to claim altruistic intent. Your argument makes no sense.
Also, rather than sucking/leaching (I'm not sure if this is the correct term; I don't mean sucking your money; I mean sticking to a people for one-sided gains), up people to gain their favor. I prefer to give something in exchange, even if it doesn't have a value (just something you might like)
That's one of the characteristic of "Bayanihan", helping those in need.
To be transparent, I purchased @jbiloh.com too.
Let me ask you, do you prefer someone initiating a conversation with you and asking you for advice and technical stuff, or some partnership/collaboration with newly established company without any background?
I'm guessing you'd ignore it anyway.
I'd suggest joining the community, taking part in threads and asking questions in public. Buying domains of people's usernames as a way to start a conversation just seems like a waste of money.
Could have just messaged them and said "Hey, how are you?" after being around for a bit if you really want to talk to them in PM.
If you open some hosting business later i bet you will be end up Like J. Nguyen aka Greenvaluehost later 😎
Maybe you should take advice from him first
It also came to you, mate. "Nothing comes for free in this world", if I initiated the conversation with "Hello! I have your domain HalfEatenPie.com I'll give it to you for free" will it give different impression.
Because for me, if someone is offering something free, there's something suspecious.
Instead I chose to be honest and told him that I need "HELP" in raising funds to startup in this field of business.
It could be something that will "HELP" me raise that fund or give some advise to a startup because knowledge.
I've read and appreciate the explanation @JamesRoi. Wishing you the best in your ventures. Doesn't mean I accept it but I've read it. Just don't do things like this and we'll get along fine.
These parts of the internet are filled with hazards and those who might not mean the best to others. It's also why most are usually skeptical of newcomers but are very familiar and protective of those who've been around the block a couple of times. LET (to me anyways) is not a place to be professional but rather just to be a dick and circlejerk a little. It's also why I (or others) may post publicly about these matters, simply as another warning sign to others. Now I may have jumped the gun a little there but I will definitely say it was a bit of a surprise seeing that message.
Anyways this is it for me here folks. Cheers.
I've already tried this before, being friendly. I've just learnt that if you can't offer something in return they will ignore you.
Oh well, this is my first month at LET, and I've tried to be professional because my first impression is that everyone here is serious lol.
Thankyou for your transparency.
I have no preference as I'd like to help other community members if I can, as they've helped me in the past.
This differs to someone buying a domain name related to my LET username and attempting to sell it to me, however.
You guessed wrong.
I've also considered different peoples, perspective since this is an international forum. Not all people are open minded in helping others in need.
Some people will never help you if you don't give something in return "I've learnt that in hard way"
But let's not get into that because it could be misunderstood again.
You're not "giving something in return" you're attempting to sell them their own username as a domain, and if it was that important to them, it likely wouldn't have been available to you purchase in the first place.
Going around telling people that you live in a third world country and are struggling with money, asking for assistance with jumpstarting your business venture, while also burning money trying to "ransom" a domain name to sell back to the very same community you intend to do business with is just a terrible look.
What you're doing isn't giving something in return, you're trying to extort users into financing your business by selling them their username as a domain.
As you said, not all people are open minded in helping others in need. That's something you'll need to accept on your own, instead of trying to private message people with the idea that they should buy a domain of their username from you as a gesture of goodwill.
The optics are terrible, it's a waste of money, and you'll only end up looking like a terrible person that most people won't want to do business with, and stuck with a bunch of random username domains that you purchased for no benefit to anyone.