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I kinda lazy, so I use Emacs with
tramp-modeand doC-x C-f /ssh:which include dired for file manager andM-x shellfor shellNotepad is great as for the Notepad++ is better!
The better comparison is between nano and vi (vi ≠ Vim)
Most Linux distributions have nano and vi (but not Vim) installed by default
BSD distributions have vi (but not Vim or nano) installed by default
In the past, Vim was often compared with Emacs
I'll whine a little:
macOS comes with TextEdit, which is Apple's version of Notepad. The default setting is Rich Text Format, which includes formatting options like font selection, size, bold, italic, etc. The Save menu offers "rich" file formats, but plain text is nowhere to be found.
Under the Format menu in TextEdit, you will find a menu item that toggles between "Make Plain Text" and "Make Rich Text". The formatting options in the toolbar on the window are hidden or exposed accordingly, and the Save menu format options change completely.
The problem comes when you are facing the Save dialog box and trying to figure out how to save your document as plain text. It isn't intuitive or obvious that the solution is to back out and close the Save dialog box and go to the Format menu to toggle the menu option.
By the way, if you are in Plain Text mode, you can still choose formatting options like bold or font size from the menus, even though the toolbar is hidden. The formatted text appearance changes on the screen (e.g., bold, font size, etc.), but the formatting is lost when you reload the saved file later.
As far as I am concerned, this non-intuitive user interface design sucks, especially if you are new to macOS and just need to save a plain text file, such as copy/pasting a public/private key pair or editing a "known_hosts" file on your Mac.
beer or wine ?
I completely agree
I think that TextEdit is more comparable to WordPad on Windows than it is to Notepad, because the latter is (simply) a plain text editor
vim, many years-worth of muscle memory.
Well they are not completely different. From Google:
Beer for the vi crowd. Wine pairs well with nano. :-)
Of course, from the statement "vi ≠ Vim" it doesn't follow that vi and Vim are completely different either. (I'm well aware of the relation between the two editors)
My point was simply that the better comparison for nano is vi and not Vim
Point taken. An alternate view is that Apple has the equivalent of two Windows applications in its TextEdit program: Notepad and Wordpad. You switch between the two applications with TextEdit's Format menu toggle. Yuck!
Yuck indeed
Just curious: I'm not a Mac user, but if you open a terminal, isn't vi available? And perhaps nano as well?
Neo(vim) >>>>>
If I use another editor/IDE, I typically install vim plugins. I even use a vim-plugin for Firefox.
Real men speak to the metal in machine code
Always nano,
That is a good question.
You will find vi, vim, and nano included by default in /usr/bin/ on macOS. macOS is a version of UNIX, by the way.
macOS used to include emacs too. The latest versions of macOS includes mg instead of emacs. The change happened in macOS 10.15 Catalina, probably to avoid GNU licensing encumbrances. They changed the default shell in Terminal from bash to zsh at the same time, probably for the same reason.
Sadly, I had to open a Terminal window to check for myself. I have been using BBEdit for so long that I did not know which editing tools were made available by default. I launch BBEdit from the command line, too.
It may have to do with specifically version 3 of the GPL rather than with the GPL per se
Or perhaps it's for another reason
By the way, what does
nano --versionshow? (Assuming the version of nano that is installed by default on macOS)nano only and only
The first command to send after confirming that the server OS installation is complete
apt purge nanoYes, it was the change of those products from GPLv2 to GPLv3. As far as I know, Apple has not made any public statement confirming it, but it is a common assumption.
By the way, I used the "which" command to see available editors. I should have gone to the /usr/bin directory and looked. It turns out that vi is a link to vim on all versions of macOS that I looked at:
In addition, I learned that nano changed, too. I have a feeling that you suspected it all along.
Here are older macOS versions, probably all the versions that preceded macOS 10.15 Catalina:
Here are newer macOS versions, probably macOS 10.15 Catalina and up. Note the incorrect nano syntax used in the third command:
In newer versions of macOS, the command "nano --version" launches pico with an empty filename. The "--version" part of the command appears to be ignored.
The examples here were taken from Mac OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard Server and macOS 12.6.1 Monterey.
nano - good syntax highlighting / cut & pasting is easy - for working on a lot of files - vscode
Although I didn't ask about vi/im, I suspected that vi was a link to vim
Right: nano-2.0.6 was the last version of nano licensed under GPLv2
Okay, so at some point, Apple decided that nano-2.0.6 was too old, which was sensible, since it dated from 2006. They decided to use pico instead, linking nano to pico, which is kind of amusing because pico-5.09 is pretty old as well (but not quite as old as nano-2.0.6, as far as I can tell)
Not even notepad++ in Windows?
You don't need to RTFM to use nano.
Always prefer Vim.
Simply because it is not installed by default.
Step 1 of any new Windows install is hitting up ninite.com.
Nano for sure. Easy, simple and enough for what we want.
Why wasting time with vi / vim? Just because you use Vi / vim doesn't mean that you are the pro. Like nano doesn't mean that you are better than vi / vim user.
That is a shitty. Use what you like. In my own vision nano or vim should be good for who have time and don't care to waste a little time spending in vi or vim.
This is like the same example of cars drivers, because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean that you become a good driver did you?
The same for nano or vim. Use what you prefer and that's.
nvi, I don't like colors and automatic syntax.
I use awk and sed to edit my files anything else is for pussies