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Yeah, I enjoy writing code but without a maintainer willing to do triage and support the product I'm probably not going to enjoy which is why its my condition.
If I was retired, I'd build it just for fun but I have a day job and a family lol
Yeah turns out living is expensive. Especially when you have other mouths to feed. The 1000 dollars a "web hosting company" is willing to donate (plus server space) really doesn't mean dick.
Take my bet then that it won't even get that far. I am good for it, just for you, I will make it $100. Many on here know I am good for it and will pay if I lose.
Effort is better expended on trying to drive sales if yu are a hosting provider rather than working on a group "free panel" that may or may not be done. Total up your cpanel or direct admin costs for a year, then divide it by a rational hourly pay rate. Will you spend more or less time working on the panel than your cpanel costs/hourly rate? My guess is the panel will consume countless more hours. Sales for small providers can make you more than savings from "free" panel. You cannot cut your costs to profitability.
I believe instead of guessing about project's future and survival chances, why not for a minute we think that it may get a life and what we need to contribute is real suggestions which can make such thing worthy. I have already updated topic and hoping for some ideas and direction. Getting fund is generally easy but finding someone actually good in it is hard, I have people who can invest in it, if not lot but good which should be just enough to make it happening. Obviously no one knows future but we can hope for good.
I mean the main part of the problem is a (or 2-3*) developer(s) willing to spend a lot of time. Money for domains, hosting, etc. will be easily collected here.
Costs for HestiaCP are currently 30/40 euro a month based on
And 3 servers for automated testing.
And a few domains
The is issue is with somebody willing to spend xx hours on it each month for development , support, testing, documentation and so on.
And even with over 25k downloads each month our "income" from sponsoring is about 100 euro / month.
So it will not pay your bills. If you want to make money it is probably cheaper to go with a paid panel where you can depend of for support / updates for free.
You need someone to post a feature list for a MVP and try to convince someone to dedicate 8+ hours a week to this.
There is no point in discussing what you posted until then.
You got to be joking!
you are counting domains, hosting and what not which would be included in any package from for any control panel.
It costs me only my time, in this case about an hour to do what you describe in your first 3 steps.
Huh? His costs sounds about right to me as a FOSS project head. Unless I'm misinterpreting this.
I believe they’re referring to the cost of running the HestaCP project, not simply using the control panel.
My mistake then. I misunderstood.
I'm willing to put time into it if it's open source
yes, that is what @eris was referring to.
How much time? As a developer, documentor, or ?
I don’t want to guarantee, but it will be on weekends and nights, I might want to pull a 30hr week if I feel like it. I know a lot of people play MMORPG games for 60hrs week, and this would be my mmorpg game. As such, it will be based on how people get along with each other in the community, and how much fun people get out of it. I’m a developer, but will try other things if I feel like it.
Would you want to be the main maintainer if you were interested in doing this?
It's too early to say. I think it'll be better to have a discussion group to nail down the problems that we are trying to solve, the assumptions we are validating and have a clearer picture of what's going to happen. All I want to say is that I'd like to be involved in it, to contribute and learn from others.
If there is anything I can do in organizing this pre-project phase, let me know. Either post it here, or you can DM me If you like.
Someone should create a slack group or discord server. Hopefully it's not gonna be all developers...
Is a discord server better or a fast phpbb forum ? Whatever is easier for you guys.
I'd say a properly setup discord would be the best for this kinda thing but idk, I won't be able to contribute anything...
In the meantime, I will go ahead and prepare a discord server and will report back here, unless someone else has a better idea, this can be the beginning.
Discord? Are you sysadmins/devs or Minecraft players? Set up IRC/Matrix, with
a bridge to Telegram.
Like I said, if I were to decide, I don't want this to be just another game among devs. It's important to build software together, but it's also important to connect with the outside world to discuss what to build, to list the known and unknowns, to get people to give feedback, to dig deep into the requirements, and to do that, a lot of non-devs are needed.
I'm not saying that it's bad to limit the game to devs/sysadmins. I'd certainly enjoy that, just like I enjoyed the other dev-only games before. But hey, sometimes you just want to play a different game.
Other than that, I think Discord is more approachable to more people and I know quite a few open source projects that are running great on Discord. for example: https://serenityos.org/.
a bridge to Telegram.
There is nothing wrong devs using discord. It's not like slack's 10k message policy where you can't see old messages after that.
Fwiw, I also know an open source project that has its' community on Discord. It works pretty well and there's a bot that posts GitHub activity to a specific channel on Discord which is cool:
Another cool thing is that there is somewhat a general "guest" channel and then there are "user/member" channels where you get quicker replies and help, however the requirement for the member role is to submit at least one Pull Request.
How is that going? Would you rather someone else set it up?
Hi. Sorry for the delay. Yes, If someone else can set it up it would be great!
@Arkas @ericls https://discord.gg/DKNP7U5s7n
Also open to anyone else that is interested in joining to discuss further.