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PSA: Provider Tag Fee Implementation
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I dont fully agree. it's not crazy regardless if the provider can or cant afford the $200/yr.
I think a lot of providers are not seeing the RIO in that 200USD/yr for this specific LET advertising opportunity (and within the LET rules)
Every provider here also has the opportunity to push $200/yr into advertising in google/facebook ads but also, they might not want to do this since it doesn't make finical sense (same thing) as opposed to being "unable to afford $100/6m aka $16/mo)
For us, we have created 4 threads within the last 7 years of being active in this forum and the leads that those 4 threads brought in did not show us this is worth while investment (for us)
Now in future, if we decide to go all crazy on pushing our products and doubling bandwidth bumps on LET, we may ask for a provider tag, but for now, I dont think it makes sense and I feel like a few other providers might be in a very similar boat.
I could have worded that better. Yeah.
So what I thought to be a scam/phishing email led me here. Interesting.
Welp, bye.
@Nekki
Submit a ticket at https://billing.lowendtalk.com, and we will be flexible.
Thank you for your support @jar
Glad to have you here. Thank you!
Send me a PM, lets work something out.
The implementation of this new fee structure was not executed well enough and I need to do better in that regard. You make some good points and I am considering all of your suggestions. Thanks for being part of LowEndTalk @DP!
Send me a PM and we will work something out. I want to be flexible and accommodating.
Thanks for your support.
The first six months is actually $80. I want to work with providers on a case by case basis to be accommodating. Send me a PM and lets talk.
I value having every provider here and recognize that we need to be flexible.
Howdy Jonathan, hope you are doing well. Would be nice to catch up at some point. Are you going to Channel Partners?
And yes, the roll out could have been smoother. Oooff, lesson learned there.
wait, the gmail one wasnt a phishing mail?
edit: apparently not. I did visit billing.lowendtalk.com and then used password reset.
sigh
I am in the process of setting up an inbox identity from the @lowendtalk.com or @lowendbox.com domain.
Right now all email is sent from SES. The gmail is just a clunk reply to/from address.
I disagree on that. A fee is fine. But i think the implementation needs to done be in a way where the fee and resulting benefits are the same for everyone.
good job,lowendtalk has been killed
if your IQ can't figure out how to reduce costs, don't keep this site running:)
I might be wrong, but here is a suggestion - leave the door open by allowing an X amount of offers per Y amount of time. 1 per 6 months, for example. If a provider posts more often, they could upgrade and it would be justified. I have never posted an ad, but I can see how this may affect the math of providers who post very rarely, like once or twice per year. This one post would cost them $100 to $200. It is not a big amount, but if the offer is already a loss leader it becomes less likely for the provider to be motivated to post it.
That is just a suggestion. Personally, I find it perfectly reasonable for advertising to be a paid feature.
We need more packages.
Who's going for the platinum?
LET Provider Tag basic FREE
LET Provider Tag bronze $200/year
LET Provider Tag silver $400/year
LET Provider Tag gold $800/year
LET Provider Tag platinum $1600/year
LET summer host package $300 for 120 days, must pay in crypto
LET Troll Tag $666/year
Good point, and yes, agreed.
Good suggestion, will definitely consider that.
$7
maybe the wedding was expensive, he has to recover $
But he can keep editing your posts to hide the fact that you offered some invite codes to the MJJ nest. Yeah Mr. Biloh, totally not censorship, right.
Welcome to China North Korea, we have freedom of speech:)
Why not let vendors pay for each advertised post?
This may be more flexible lol
Im not gonna go saying you have to no be making money of LET.
But you really dont have to be saying this is to cover costs of hosting. This is LET, we all know you dont have to pay 2k/m $ to host a small forum. People here host bigger sites on 50$ machines.
And i hope you arent really gonna spend your profits on tutorials and videos, nobody cares or visits LET for those.
They cannot do sales based on answer at the other thread. Or advertise in any way except signature. You can only respond when called by name.
@jbiloh You are posting So many comments on the line of:
"Good suggestion, will definitely consider that."Doesn't this show that this initial brainy idea of charging a fee for provider tag was NOT through AT ALL?
If you are considering the suggestions, then why don't you pause the "invoices" and take a poll from the community and its providers and then reconvene to make a decision?
it just seems too immature and so many things point the same.
Something really to reconsider and give the community ample time. This has been echoed by others - but the rhetoric is the same... "Will definitely consider" without any concrete responses on when/ how/ why...
Just my 2 cents...
This is a de-escalation measure, the goal is to prevent a conflict while doing actually nothing about it.
The new pricing limitations are as follows:
VPS: was $7/mo, now $10/mo
Shared: stays at $7/mo
Reseller: was $10/mo, now $12/mo
Dedicated: was $100/mo, now $125/mo
I believe, this is a bit out of market yet, because things are too much expensive in order to keep delivering latest/newest for the lowest. Things aren't going better and cheaper, instead they get better and further more expensive. Considering the amount of time, the old limits were imposed, I think a bit more of adjustments would be needed here, but this is my single opinion only.
The funny thing about narcissistic people like you, is they think that if only they can find the right words they can manipulate anyone into doing what they want.
Your statement suggests your decision is right, only how you convinced people was wrong. This is not the case. Everything you have done on this topic, every decision you made, including the idea of a fee is wrong.
Further you keep saying 'considering our suggestions' but this isn't actually your choice. LET is the users - it is our choice what is acceptable and what isn't.
Inventing a 200/year fee, emailing hosts to pay that fee when they weren't expecting it, following up 24/hrs later to say the fee is overdue - only for you to apologize and give people a '20% discount' on the invented fee. It's just mind blowing the world you live in inside your head.
The implementation isn't the failure. It was a selfish idea that it wasn't vetted by people who you want to profit off if. It wasn't thought out, you are incapable of thing of anyone other than yourself. How did you think people would react to this? Well, a narcissist is unable to think of that.
I can see you for who you are now. I see the narcissism. I see the ignorance. The lingering sociopath hiding just behind the keyboard. I can see you, trying to find the right words to manipulate us, so you can get money from us.
I can see you for who you are now.
This is a psychological technique named anchoring.
This is the sort of "discussion" that should've taken place between members of staff, providers and the community prior to making the decision and sending out the invoices.
Now that you've woken up a number of people, members and providers, from their LET hibernation mode, I say put this activity on hold and discuss this further - there's still lots of room and time to fine-tune your plans if you want this to be executed smoothly and fairly.
Don't rush into something you want to maintain and commit for a long period of time.
Personally I think this is the best way forward for now.
For the record, if everyone wasn't disgusted by your special treatment of people like RackNerd, and how you manipulate eposts and threads, and have made this a slowly growing toxic community - you could have just rolled out a Premier role. Let anyone pay $2/month to support, and we get a little badge to show we are a supporter.
But you cant do that - because we already see your greed spilling into this forum. And no one would have paid the fee. Because no one would support what a toxic community you want to create.
You made this problem the day you took over. It just took this long to see it reach a tipping point.
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Yeah it reminds me of some very sketchy sales training I was put in when I was young.
Inventing value out of nothing through manipulation. I didn't realize it was an actual technique that's fascinating.