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Ah ok so you have been registered in Delaware and I assume complete annual tax filings with them? Do you have an office in Delaware or is it just a virtual office?
Yes, we pay Delaware, and have a good standing statement. And we pay California and Fed taxes. We don’t have a physical office in Delaware.
Looks like LEB staff hurriedly made a new post which is not really a post and doesn't make sense. Guess what, that post is talking about this discussion and is failing in it, also with special mention of @KermEd .
All I can see that now dustinc owns LET and @jbiloh is just face to make it look unbiased towards other providers and members.
OR
dustinc is majority holder in LET.
OR
He is paying really good to LET if he doesn't own LET yet.
And recent discussion and evaluation by fellow members clearly indicate that LET brings heaps of business to dustinc, its no shame to invest in such platform to get more business.
I think there is no problem that @dustinc is associated with LET or how he runs his business but he should be fair. Looking so far, there is nothing bad in investing to bring in business but please stop playing pseudo game of being fair, be open and people will appreciate it.
I don't own it, or have a % of it. I understand some might argue I do, and that's OK.
Simply just a normal provider here that is putting in the work and taking advantage of the freebies, and now paid tag while all within the rules.
We do spend thousands on banner advertisements on LEB/LET and that's no secret, the conversions are great, and it's our way of supporting the community, and we find other creative ways to give back to the community members by doing giveaways. I can confirm that LEB/LET has a great ROI when it comes to business, so it is mind boggling when providers get lazy, and or simply do not take advantage of the freebies.
I should also say if Jon was to ever sell it? Yeah, I'd buy it.
What is the "MJJ Nest?"
Nah, I think what we have here is a symbiotic relationship. Jon craves traffic and sign-ups, and doesn't care how he gets them. Dusty needs a forum with lax moderation that's going to allow him to do the sort of spammy stuff he does here. It's a win-win for both of them, although I have to say I think Dusty has pulled a blinder and has had Jon's pants down and he hasn't even realised.
Given what you're making, and given that you can pretty much generate your own ad traffic, you should definitely make him an offer.
remember how we eventually found out cc had obtained ownership of let.. i know it's not an identical situation, but i read these threads and wonder if i'm really the only person experiencing deja vu.
You are not the only one, no :-)
Damn, you made me look. And yeah, WTAF? My eyes and head hurt
Holy shit, that’s a fucking train wreck.
I'm scared. I'm so afraid. I don't think my poor mortal soul can comprehend this.
As far as both are concerned, whilst their lips are moving I know they are lying. Just my view though.
That said they have both pulled a blinder, one is getting the traffic up, more money and increasing the value of the asset. The others success it would be fair to say has come largely off the back of the reach around agreement with the other.
Fair play. Does it really make a big difference to LET for where it is right now? I don't think so, clearly, others have a different view and that is fair. But from what I can see it is non-providers that have more of an issue in this thread than providers.
Plenty of ways providers can get their deals on here, no provider tag is needed. I am sure they know that.
Wow, that LEB post is pure bullshit.
All hail the one who wouldn't ban someone who disagrees with him. 😂
This is definitely turning into a serious train wreck.
just a MJJs forum
I have to respectfully disagree. The magic to @jbiloh's success is his thick skin & ability to forgive members in order to give them 2nd (3rd) chances. Under most other leaders, 30% of this community would be permanently banned. That is a noble & rare quality that Jon has.
I became active on WebHostingTalk in 2006 and was there for 14 years before joining LET. WHT is significantly less forgiving than Jon and is incredibly less fair.
Coming from WebhostingTalk, LET is a breath of fresh air and Jon deserves to implement some fees for his hard work.
That is the one thing we SHOULD take from WebhostingTalk, their fee structure. I suggest allow Providers 1 free ad per month and if they want more, they can upgrade to the $100/year level to post twice per month, and $200/year for unlimited ads.
Then create a members only section for a fee like at WHT.
If @jbiloh continues with his current plan of forcing all Providers to pay $200/year to be able to post any ad, then the bulk of LET will simply move to LES.
Hi Dustin! Email sent! Thank you!
Just think, the $200 fees are being used to pay people to write that garbage. Well...that and Youtube videos for Alpharacks. Wow!
I have... very mixed feelings on the subject. I definitely think my content is a bit negative for LEB, I'm glad I'm semi-anonymous, and I don't know that my discussive contributions are important enough to include. But I do appreciate the intention. So I don't know really how to respond on that subject.
... Soooo
On the Dustin side, I don't think there is anything to brag about business model wise here, although he is clearly competent and capable. But many people seem to feel his approach has created a negative experience on LET, and I'm not sure morally or ethically if many hosts want to copy that model. It's just a spam technique, but I think this covers it. Although I think others might be able to say it in more precise terms.
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I think that sums up the entire approach - it's just spam marketing, and making sure you are louder than everyone else. No need to send special DMs or ask for advice. You just have to be ethically comfortable with your decisions and be confident in what kind of person you decide to be. I don't discredit the approach, it's just very short term, and you need to dissullision yourself and your value. It works to be profitable for the first couple companies doing it, but once you get past 3 or 4 the forum platform just becomes an endless ad platform. So you need to be one of the first to spam like hell and get there before everyone else.
Very good points, so the moral of the story is if you're not first, you're last.
I just wanted to say I think this is actually quite well said.
It's nothing to do with nobility. Jon wants the page views generated by the dissenting voices, pure and simple.
Serious question. How many people here on LET believe that the Earth is flat and not round?
It's hollow, and inside is where the psychic demonic vampire pedophiles who control the world's governments live. They're hundreds of years old and feed on discarded children from Planned Parenthood dumpsters, mainly. When that is scarce they collect children from Disney Cruiseships.
Duh.
"In the black" means you are making a profit.
....right, The LowEnd sites are a for-profit venture....
Up until the provider tag the sites were operating in the red. It's possible Jon's been able to make some infrastructure changes, and the paying providers, have helped him get it above water, but I don't know if he's going to share that.
Francisco
Yeah this is the point I made earlier. The forum is buggy for example, this happens all the time:
And you have to refresh just to get all the avatars and icons to load. You should make the forum function perfectly before charging people for it. That's hardly the only bug either - there's no scrollbar in the comment box which is frustrating as hell when you're wring a multiple-paragraph reply.
LET has lost its way really. The oldest still running low-end hosting forum is freewebspace.net and it's technically still around (filled with SPAM), times have largely moved on from its heyday. One of my very first shared hosts was from there, and they never charged me a cent and the hosting was good quality. That was back when the alternative to shared hosting was Geocities and the like. A lot of providers used it as a way to get customers that would upgrade to paid accounts once they reached their resource usage. The first one that I had would just increase my bandwidth or space without me even needing to ask! When I think about the dumb websites I would host on my free hosting plans, I look back and I'm grateful because it meant I always had a platform to code html, css, javascript, vbscript, and php doing everything in Windows Notepad.
LET is, or at least was, a more all-around low-end discussion forum. WHT as others have mentioned adds real value to providers who purchase premium account subscriptions - it's optional, but many prefer to pay for the benefits. LET (at least as of now) is not providing much in the way of a premium value to those who pay for a provider account. I think a lot of low-end providers are just going to move over to the OGF and call it a day.
Won’t happen, OGF is almost a graveyard. Better to pay the fee and actually get some eyeballs.
That's because it was set up as a clone of LET (it even runs on Vanilla - although their one actually works properly) and a lot of people me included ignored it until now. Give it time. Freewebspace.net was once a thriving community too.
To Jon's credit he explained things well and took on my observations/listened to some of my suggestions - but when you're own forum software doesn't function properly and your main competitor's ones do then just the user-experience alone will drive people to other forums.
I can't believe you said that about your own members!
Yep.
I only joined here in 2019, but I'd been a lurker for a while (probably not since 2010 but long enough). The downward trend has been obvious for a while.
It was setup to be a clone of the old, drama free, relatively quiet LET, one that’s not such an attractive proposition to providers.
They new moderators don’t want the sort of shenanigans that makes LET popular and brings the traffic.
If LET dies providers might bother posting offers there, otherwise, not happening IMO.