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★ Yid Bid ★ - Idle service trading made easy
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Yep, I was making the noises I was making because the tone of the conversation felt like it would be rolled out without consultation of the hosts. This does fix the potential problem though.
@alilet @dfroe @JerryHou added.
I think oversell is natural and good for business and most likely no user use 100% of their resources but idle server that's a different story you literally use 0% of your resources.
It's already happening. For example people without virmach.await.app most likely didn't get as much chance as others who didn't know about that app.
If no-ones else bid, it's basically that.
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VirMach already enable transferring by default for a small fee. The site is like dating app for VPS.
I don't handle money, I don't sell anything. I only connect two people with common interest.
That was part of the plan.. Providers can post things with $0.01 starting bid price
DM me after this all things relaxes. I don't think fork is a good fit here because it's still in the developing process.
I don't replace the hosts transferring rules. The site simply connects people on LET. They are both bound to the transferring rules of the host themselves.
@AnthonySmith please disclose your thoughts. It's important to me know how we can work this issues.
Well, I expect that people will sell shit on the site.
Everyone who got a good deal, will keep it, only a small percentage will drop it.
Like the last guy who dropped a 9$/y KVM in Russia.
But But But, It may be a usefull tool, lets wait.
2 Hours left until the site opens!
Hm.
Links are fail.
EDIT:
https://.bid/
I believe a mod has changed it (edited 12:55PM, I was at work at that time).
Probably when they transferred it to Off-topic.
I hope they ( @PieNotEvenEaten or other mod) can change it back and move it from Off-Topic.
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Site is open for bidding
Enjoy.
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@MrFunken How do you provide legal proof that Terry exists?
Well i put the links back and ill give the site until 10 pm cst tonight in general topic. Until I hear anything different any of the admins. @soluf You have to understand i can't take anything just said on here without proof that @virmach was aware of the site being built.
Thanks, I hope @VirMach will clear this doubts soon.
Moreover, I hope admins will see fit to have such a website in the community.
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We don't consider this as "reselling." A customer is allowed to surrender his service and agree they basically gave us money for nothing. It's treated the same way as an immediate cancellation/termination request. The receiver then must have valid billing information, pass fraud check, and have a payment method on file or store credits.
We accept no responsibility errors in the transfer process.
However, we have logs of the transfers, and try our best to make it go smooth for everyone.
This is basically our reaction to this and our transfer policy:
But seriously, we just thought it's better than forcing a customer to keep a service they do not desire. It's our solution to something worse that could happen: people selling their entire VirMach accounts. We'd rather someone transfer just the service out to someone with correct billing info than them giving their accounts to a friend and us having to deal with more problems there.
(edit) So this was originally literally intended for giving away services for free, but what happens between two third parties is none of our business, so if they're charging each other that's their own deal.
I wouldn't go that far. We are treating it as a cancellation with no refund, and then a free service being generated on another verified account. We have logs/tickets. If there's a request for information we would know which customer had it for which dates. We would not just allow a transfer to a random "Bill bob 1 street" without valid billing details. Not all requests are automatically accepted.
It's possible for the customer's transferred service to be suspended for abuse if there were previous cases, but in many cases if there's recent abuse we may reject the transfer anyway. But yes, anyone receiving a transferred service should assume it's treated as a "free" service with zero abuse tolerance.
Yes, it could be abused, consume too much time, etc. For now we're honoring requests. Of course, if matters change we obviously reserve the right to deny any request or close off requests all together. It's not guaranteed in our terms, nor is it prohibited.
People are free to do what they want, as long as it's not in direct conflict with our terms of service. We're not affiliated with the website, and hold no responsibility for what happens on there. I guess think of it as this being craigslist where our product is being resold using our currently available transfer request option.
You could probably do it perfectly if you charge a $10 fee. We charge $3 for now, and it works out as long as people read and follow the rules. The way we have it set up, it's difficult for anyone to abuse it how you're thinking.
In terms of your site, I think there will always be that risk where people pretend to sell what they don't have and buy what they don't intend on paying for or following the provider's transfer rules, but that's a risk for any person-to-person trades.
I assume if they're linked to LET accounts they can be banned per the rules, at least, the same way as any auction on LET would work?
We were notified of this and we did say we hold no responsibility and do not indorse it, but they're technically allowed to it and it's a cool idea.
At this point to further put people's mind at rest, I would only recommend the website owner puts a few more disclaimers to be fully transparent. Transfers aren't guaranteed, we're not responsible, and they're not responsible for scams. But it seems like it's already there.
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@soluf
please disable or grey out bidding form when you dont accept bids anyway - the same for the timer which is not a real one apparently
how to browse current offers?
The same way as the provider itself it also does?
Yeah, a list of what is available would be useful. The rotating offers made sense when it was a time limited offer, but not for bids.
Currently the bids are live. You can bid as you like.
I might grey out the bidding form.
Although currently if bid when the system is offline a popup message will appear.
About the second question read below.
I think it's a wrong call. I'm open for debate. But first let me explain my position.
Optimally a LET user that posts his offer gets trade right away. The rotating trades are just there to insure that the whole pool get sold. The problem with a list is that you show the users all your pool and the less than great offers will probably will never get sold.
Also you remove all the factor of surprise. Which for me was a key factor on the initial VirMach flash deals. My initial plan was that an person enters the site. See a plan that matches his need and you simply bid on it.
However, thinking it through I'm willing to implement a future of maximum rotations for an offer.
Let me know what you think about my suggested feature.
If you think a list will be useful, convince me why and how it fits with what I said.
My first successful trade, thanks @FrankZ. Thanks @VirMach for the quick transfer.
Timer
For people who get confused. The timer is when the bids are closed.
If no-one bids the offer goes back to the pool.
Like the idea and execution.
I aggree to previous feedbacks that the format (one offer at a time) is not suitable.
Well, but what if the offer on display does not match his need?
Then he has to come back ever so often - and he will never be sure if there isn't a better offer out that he just hasn't seen yet.
I believe that is the key point. I understand that you liked virmach's idea (I did as well); but that does not mean that this tool should do the same.
The concept of virmachwas to sell lots of stuff to a large croud, and if one configuration couldn't be sold: doesn't matter, the system puts the ressources together in a different configuration.
Here we have a totally different situation:
We have a fixed and limited list of available configurations. And we have people with specific needs that want to pick the combination best for them.
To do that they need to be able to have an overview over the offers.
Or, to put it differently:
We do have the need to sell stuff off just BECAUSE of how virmach did operate BF.
I don't think using the very same concept a second time is a smart move to mitigate the problems that did arise with the first time.
I think what we need is a tool where you can browse all offers on display.
I'm still hesitant to the idea of "bidding" because it leads to speculation.
But as virmach does seem to endorse it...
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Thank you @soluf & @VirMach The process was simple and painless.
The only addition I would suggest is to have the previous owner send the SolusVM panel login username to the new owner as it is not always displayed in the VirMach client area.
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Since these are not regenerated/new VMs from VirMach they do not send the "Your New Premium VPS " email with all those details. The SolusVM link in the client area works to access SolusVM, but you can't change the SolusVM password without the old password or username, which would allow the old owner to still access the SolusVM panel for the transferred VM.
(PS: @soluf please send SolusVM panel login username to the email you have for me
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