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Well, thats fine then, I just read the first post and was like WTF.
DDoS mitigation systems store weeks or months worth of packets? Besides back then @AnthonySmith stated he wouldn't do it on his NAT boxes.
The sad thing is the host was pressured into doing it. It should have been worded so in the first place.
Common sense isn't so common nowadays.
Packets or metadata?
Metadata - surely - if you want to profile a connection you can't really do it with a few days of data, can you? It all depends on the needs. Patterns can be hourly, daily, weekly, monthly. ~Month is definitely common.
Entire packets - who has the capability to store en masse? It's a lot of data! Surely, during an attack, a 10-15s worth of traffic sampled towards an IP, yeah, but network-wide - that would be extremely expensive.
Didn't know that ~month was actually a common thing. You learn something new every day i guess.
Iirc @Cam explained his system a bit further but i can't remember in detail. Guess it's something along the lines of metadata though since as you said cost of a full dump would be prohibitive (at least for any serious amount of bandwidth). I'll see if i can dig up the original thread.
Edit: Tried but oh well... A thread concerning NAT VPS with @Cam and @AnthonySmith. It's a needle in a haystack and tbh i can't be arsed to invest to much energy if it isn't all that special anyways.
I think what you're referring to is this:
From this thread
Exactly. Great find.
And @Cam himself states:
So @Clouvider was right. It's just metadata.
Not saying it's a good thing, but this happens all the time when one company is acquired by another one. I got the email from Vpsrus and didn't see anything out of the ordinary in the transition. Since the vpsrus shutdown is postponed enough that there's 30 days notice, it seems about as good as we can hope for.
@deank Well, reading always everything is a waste of time, sometimes its worth reading every single post, sometimes its not.
He just changed the direction after the community pushed him away from turning it off next week.
He should give at least 2 weeks + refund or Gullo's Hosting.
Everything else, gonna be a drama.
Regarding the metadata, I do not see the point, why he would do that.
If he gets a lot of abuses maybe, worth it, but still its OVZ, he can see the running processes, with ease and other stuff.
I am not doing it, same as Anthony, I have no need for it.
It's completely normal to keep connection metadata around (at least temporarily) for abuse investigations etc. You can bet that your home ISP and your mobile carrier has this info about all your net traffic. If he was keeping actual packets that would have been alarming, but only the NSA has enough disk space to do that
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I'm one of the bigger privacy freaks around this place and I'm not the least bit upset by this Vpsrus to Gullo transfer on privacy grounds. Vpsrus is a fairly new host and one thing LET users ought to have learned by now is to keep their expectations realistic. I'd be much more upset if the company was sold to Facebook or something like that.
The issue here is that not the company is acquired but ‘Customers’ and their data. Takeover is another story, such part sale is yet another one.
I just got new email:
That seems to be as good as one can reasonably be hoped for.
Again we see both all the time at small and large scales. Truthfully from a customer perspective I don't see much difference between selling a company and transferring its subscriber obligations, but maybe I'm missing something.
@vpsrus that is essentially theft, you are using money already paid for service you are no longer providing and staying open, customers that perhaps do not want their data passed to another host without notice or opt in (which it seems you have already done anyway).
I hope that a new email is sent out to all customers with the same clarification you sent to @willie
Provider tag has been revoked pending the resolution of this mess as my spider senses are tingling.
If you would like to change your name here to vpsrnotus pop a ticket in.
Me too and while i am not terribly disturbed about what is basically packet headers being stored (imo it's best to assume that somewhere along the line this is going to be stored anyways and likely the data with it) but it still gives me to think when 2 other providers state they see no reason to do it. I think we can agree that the best way to avoid misuse of data is not collecting it in the first place.
I would also suggest this company to change its name, as it doesn't sell VPS anymore and it is not from RUSsia... :P
The "rus" in vpsrus stands for "vps r us". Nothing to do with Russia.
VPSRUS could be read to VPS R US = Your VPS (and money) are ours.
You know, like ToysRus...
True. Even "rus" meaning russia wouldn't save the name from being non fitting if they stop selling VPS. Still he has a point. A company being named VPS-something that doesn't sell VPS is not exactly ideal.
Yes, I am aware of that but the first impression, expecially for non native english speakers, is that "rus" means Russia. Only english mother tongue people use "r" for "are", "u" for "you" and so on...
Nope. The providers you mention don’t run their own protection systems, etc. Can’t put all different cats in one basked. This is a completely invalid assumption.
No, only millennials do ;-)
That could be too
I am far from being a millennial.. lol
Toys "R" Us - founded in 1948. Those are some old ass millennials
Buuuut i like stuffing cats into baskets! Well, yeah, point taken. Someone who runs it's own infrastructure is going to have different needs than someone who doesn't. I was explictly comparing @Cam to @AnthonySmith and @Neoon here. Which is at least somewhat fair i guess?
In administration now. Thy had a long run either way.
Sorry, 1957. Point still stands. And yes, they're currently closing all stores.
@AnthonySmith the new email was sent out to all customers they will have the option to chose whatever provider they want. Regarding the money paid already, I just stated and sent email that they will be entitled to a refund, just open a ticket.
It was not my intention to deceive anybody but my email was wrong and I admit and apologize for that, I am still here and I am not running with anybody money.
The end has been averted, for now.
Is it another issue that said data is acquired by an individual and not an actual legal company entity?