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That actually sounds really cool, I'll give it a try.
The best part is the linux-virtual kernel that mode installs too. much more efficient inside a VM than the generic kernel.
Does someone know the difference between live-server and server? Is it just a version you could boot, play around and install afterwards?
I see -- I was referring more to the desktop ISO. But it's neat that there's a minimal option for a VPS on the server edition.
Invaluable for LET. :-)
I thought that there was no longer an official live-server edition, but I may be mistaken. In any case, I would keep to the official server edition for the actual installation unless you know what you're doing.
Just for testing purpose so download normal Ubuntu ISO from ubuntu cdimage link. (iso)
True. I i am just annoyed with Ubuntu's default setup as it basically ignores anything sudo was designed for. Being able to launch a root shell (as su does) and do whatever you please is exactly what sudo set out to avoid by just allowing selected commands to be run. Seriously, the only sense i can see in Ubuntus disable root/sudo approach is stopping their desktop users from doing extremly stupid shit like logging into X as root.
Excitement might be an overstatement but i actually care for OS releases. Thing is i only care for a hand full of operating systems and Ubuntu is not one of them. Admittely i've used it at some point on my way to a linux desktop but i will never go back there. As far as servers are concerned i am quite sure i won't ever use it even if the live kernel patching made easy is tempting. I don't get hard over rapidly increasing version numbers (quite the opposite actually) and i don't trust Ubuntu stability wise so a new Ubuntu release is not going to get me all that interested.
Yeah, it's clearly a strategy to help protect users from themselves.
I hear you. :-)
I've never run Ubuntu server edition on a server other than to test it. (This may change with 18.04 -- I'll see. :-) )
I find Ubuntu desktop edition useful for testing whether certain hardware works on Linux: if hardware works on Ubuntu, then it should work on other distributions as well, but perhaps not out of the box.
start seeding .........
Kind of a side note....
Anyone know why Debian dev seams to have slowed over the past year or so? "Buster" release date has been long overdue.
I'm surprised Ubuntu made their new release.
Why "long overdue"? Debian doesn't announce exact release dates much in advance, and Buster (= Debian 10) is on schedule but won't be released until the middle of next year (this is according to schedule).
Why are you surprised?
Exactly. Debian's stable releases are approximately 2 years apart and Stretch isn't even 1 year old yet.
Seems he is under the impression that Ubuntu is based on Debian stable when in fact it's based on unstable which makes Debian's release cycle pretty much irrelevant to them.
Oh, I see, yes, he must have thought that Ubuntu is derived from Debian stable.
By the way, I thought that Ubuntu LTS releases are based on Debian testing, but perhaps this has changed. In any case, once Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Debian (testing or unstable), they apply their own testing, patches, and improvements, which is why Ubuntu isn't considered a (simple) derivative of Debian.
You are probably better informed there than i am. My main contact with Ubuntu is when their users show up in Debian forums demanding support
Yep, that's how Ubuntu releases work. I don't know about their internal testing and i can't remember the actual numbers but still i read about some guy doing the maths and 90+% (probably 95%+ but i am being nice here since i am to lazy to dig up the real numbers) of the packages are unchanged. How much that means is up to everyones own interpretation considering Debians imense number of packages.
Anyways current quality control (at least for less commonly used packages) doesn't seem to be all that great in Debian either. I just had the displeasure of downgrading an unusable icewm package to jessie just to get my desktop running...
Sorry to hear about your experience with icewm in stretch.
Just did a quick check of two packages in Bionic Beaver:
icewm, which is in the respository "universe" ( https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/icewm ), was imported from Debian unstable on 17 Feb 2018 and is unmodifed: see http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/i/icewm/icewm_1.4.3.0~pre-20180217-3/changelog .
apache2, which is in the main repository ( https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/apache2 ), was imported from Debian unstable on 23 Oct 2017 and was modified several times since then: see http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.29-1ubuntu4/changelog .
Based on these two examples, it seems that Bionic Beaver is based on Debian unstable rather than on Debian testing.
Yeah, i was disappointed. Icewm getting updates again after being basically abandoned is one few things i was curious about.
That's actually better than what is in Debian stable. I tried this version before downgrading and even though it isn't perfect it just seemed to have a few cosmetic bugs (which might actually just be caused by my config files being outdated) instead of the SIGSEGVs of the package shipped with Debian stable.
Seems pragmatic. I figure even if they updated the top 1000 packages that wouldn't amount to 10% considering Debian is at 20000+ (i think). So even if it's just 5% of the packages changes might still be quite substancial. I mean packages like icewm are probably installed by like 10 people (me already included)
Maybe file a bug report? :-) If icewm (with fresh config files) yields SIGSEGVs on Debian stable, that's a pretty serious bug.
(icewm was the first WM that I used. Fond memories of editing the config files to try to get the behavior I wanted! There was a Motif theme that I really liked.)
I'll do that but i guess ill have to run the affected package so it'll have to wait until i find the time to install it again (atm i need a working laptop).
I have my own theme that gets migrated from install to install to.... Well, at least for the taskbar to make it look a bit less blocky and fit in with a dark GTK theme (windows are just a redish version of Win2k). The taskbar is actually what makes me keep using icewm. I've looked around but couldn't find anything similar lightweight and configurable. I guess pypanel comes close but i don't like the idea of a constantly running python process. Sometimes i think about writing my own taskbar but then why bother? I've been using icewm for so long it seems it's all i'll ever need.
Running this new version on my (brand new) Ryzen computer from a live USB stick, and I must say this 4.15 kernel is really fast compared to Windows 10.
Look at those numbers:
Windows 10: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/8088405
Now,
Ubuntu 18.04: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/8108465
There is a huge difference. I even got the best score so far with this CPU
I prefer centos for anything then comes ubuntu or debian!
For tiny tiny VPSes, debian!
Good to hear. :-)
(That's a monster computer that you have there!)
DistroWatch was quick to review Ubuntu 18.04 LTS desktop version ( https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20180430#ubuntu ), concluding that "Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is not perfect, but it is very good."
3 days in with 18.04 and I am very pleased with how it feels, looks and performs.
The Gnome desktop is great and the top bar is rather minimalistic to what Unity used to have, which I welcome. The dock (now seems to be called "favorites") is better looking, and the launcher has some nice animation added to it. System settings now look a lot better than before, and so do all system windows. USB modem detection is back to what it used to be in 14.04 - great - and any dongle I have tried has worked out of the box. I'd say this is probably the first release after 14.04 that I really like.
There exists some providers offering only 12.04 and 14.04
(in fact the programming contest server in my school is still using 10.04)
10.04 was the last LTS version to use GNOME (specifically, GNOME 2), then they switched to Unity, and 18.04 is the first LTS version since then in which they've returned to GNOME (specifically, GNOME 3). I remember 10.04 well: it was very good, probably the best Linux distribution with GNOME 2 at that time.
(By the way, as long as one isn't connected to the internet, nothing really wrong with using unsupported Linux distributions.)
I did an upgrade on one of my test servers... Other than breaking Apache and changing PHP versions it went well! Will wait for the .1 to hit the release channel and then try other servers
Phoronix have some benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=precise-bionic-laptop&num=1
Seems to work pretty good on my test server. So now I just waiting for Kimsufi to make it available for my ks-1.