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Others would know better than I, but I think that really is the way they operate. They collectively drive the price of servers up til they're barely making a profit. Then if the price of the coins drops a little, they are losing money so they don't want to be committed to the servers.
I fail to see why anyone would bother for an amount of money so small that could get nuked by the average setup fee, but people do all sorts of strange shit in the pursuit of a few pennies these days.
No, shit, they want to make profit?
Still Hardware.
Thats what Colocation includes.
Also you are missing the RESELLER, RESELLER MASTER thing.
Wait, I do not demand that they loose money, I demand deals.
If you release deals with profit loss, its cross-subsidized or you are running a summer host on purpose. Thats not my fault.
It will drive us into shit, the 8GB memory sticks needs to be out of GOLD.
For me lowend definition is relative to the spec.
Highspec dedicated machine @$84 is cheap.
So I am happy with the update, and hopefully there are more bargains coming to LET.
$84 is what I spend on 3 Haswell/Skylake dedis.
Maybe LET can create more config 'tiers', eg. $84 should include 2x SSDs minimum in the config(or 4x HDD), and a /29 subnet + 20TB of Gbit transfer.
$48 should include 10TB of Gbit transfer and 2x1TB HDDs or 1x240GB SSD as options.
It lets providers decide which niche they want to occupy based on their strengths/assets (IPs, electricity, network capacity)
For example, AlphaVPS's $25 overstock dedis are very tempting if I need a redundant cluster of 3+ dedis . (single SSD is fine for this)
@vimalware it limits the diversity though. Lowend in Australia may have completely different specs and price to lowend in Dallas.
So, we should remove the limit completely?
Definition of LoweEnd:
"Low-end products, especially electronic products, are the least expensive of their kind."
It says "least expensive of their kind", it does not include that the location matters?
Since its low end.
Even then a 8GB Golden Dedi for 84$ is not lowend, the 84$ limit should be lower.
That means also, that stuff like support is excluded or very limited.
Dedicated Servers are services, not products. There’s a significant difference to cost, bassd on where such service is performed, contrary to your example.
Using your own example, $84 Dedicated Server in Japan or Singapore would be considered not only low end, but rock bottom end even.
Thats a cheap excuse, another quote if you like:
"intended for people who do not have a lot of money to spend:"
It does not include products.
Still the location is not a factor.
You do want the cheapest, no the best.
Eh, I told you once already. Open a business, start selling those sub $40 dedis, and we’ll see how it goes for you.
I get it - you’re against it, I won’t discuss it with you further since you seem to be resilient to all arguments.
This concept isn't really hard to grasp is it? If someone comes in and attempts to flog an Atom for $84/month, I'm pretty sure that the community will jump in that thread and warn people the deal is crappy, kinda' like... community-driven regulation!
@Neoon, what 'LowEnd' used to reference to and what it now means are totally different on the spectrum, as said above, you've still got the $7 limit, but people want SSD/NvME, DDoS protection, blah; LET hosts still have to try and maintain the $7/month limit, something would eventually give and force providers to stop coming to LET; I wouldn't go through half the trouble most reputable hosts here go through for the price of a cup of Costa Coffee and their brownie (awesome by the way).
It's a futile discussion as it really only attracts those that are against it, those in support or have no view will just see how it goes.
At the end of the day the limit is in place for 3 months so we will see in 3 months what the benefits have been, there are no downsides to it other than for those that consider it "expensive".
I failed to understand your post. The reseller reseller master thing doesnt even have a connection to my staff cost money argument. You clearly do not know the costs a Provider needs to keep up with. At all. So keep your dual cores, Hetzner and SYS/Kimsufi.
" No, shit, they want to make profit?"
This speaks for itself.
Well, we see enough SSD even NVMe KVM's lower as 7$, even with AntiDDOS.
People do seem to expect that these days, but just because a new technology or danger rolled in, is no reason to flip the limits up.
It's a trial, the whole point is to find out if it is viable, talk about what could or might happen all you want, there is not even any observational data to back up any negative arguments.
I did say there would be a vocal few having a hissy fit when the new rules went in, I was right about that, hopefully I will also be right that the new price LIMIT will be a good thing for the community as a whole too.
@IAlwaysBeCoding just a tag so you know now I was not referencing you previously.
He doesn't get it.
@vimalware doesn't either. @vimalware, you are trying to limit the Providers, your suggestion would be to create requirements for its maximum price.
So you already are a cheapstake that pushes the specs to the limit, and now you want to demand and regulate the offers even further.
Fine. If that goes ahead I think Providers wont post deals. Why would they bother to, when we are not exactly the most profitable target and are the most demanding.
Damn its really hard to please some people here.
Still waiting for you to find those 2 UK e3 dedi's with 2x500GB in hw raid with ddos protection for $49 in previous offers.
That was a comment to your listing, we have also providers here which complain about the prices but they just reselling sutff.
Obviously, when you do reselling the price will be higher, since the company before and youself want to make profit.
Most of the providers are reselling, either you buy colocation + hardware and put it in there.
In a scale which you cannot compare to Kimsufi/Hetzner or you just resell the dedis.
A tiny fraction does open there own DC like OVH/Hetzner, NorthHosts.
But that does not mean you cannot do any deals.
If you run a company, you obviously want to make profit, otherwise you go and run a charity.
Yes it does speak for itself.
@IAlwaysBeCoding
When did I criticized Cloudvider? his offers are cheap compared to the Other stuff with 8GB golden memory for 84$.
I do not know how you come up with that.
Even not reselling you still need to make a profit. I fail to understand what is wrong about reselling. Its no crime.
Yeah that is why there are no other deals here, because LET are too demanding. Unless a provider goes in VortexNode style. You know how it ends up though.
Then let them profit, if its sustainable it will last longer.
WSI, HostSolutions, and Time4vps all operate their own DC's from what I understand. Not sure about CC Buffalo.
He was referring to your comments on the LoveServers Offer.
Time4VPS own their DC. They also had to raise their prices several times because they were losing money, or wasnt being worth at all.
We do have deals here, but not that often.
These are not from Kimsufi all the time.
I will not discuss further. I hope you open your business and sell servers for 49 USD, with SSDs please. Anyway, not worth.
Good point Dom.
Question : wouldn't the logical way to tier, be by geography, then?
APAC, UK and rest of world(ROW?) maybe.
I would love to see official offers for SGP here.
FWIW I have no complaints with Clouvider pricing. (because : features + support)
I just want to preserve the spirit of LET: "* we are all El Cheapo *"
As I said, when you do offers, you are responsible for yourself, to make offers, that do not run you into deadpool.
LET does demand cheap deals, but that does not mean that you need deadpool tomorrow.
If you cannot do cheap deals, then do not do it?
You can't preserve something that has not existed for a long time.
Ok well, as a wise man once said, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and you don't go out of your way (usually) to look deep into someone else's.
So my final thoughts, as everything that can be said has been said and we are just circling around the same points now.
This won't be reverted early.
Dedicated offers are few and far between on LET currently.
I and essentially LET as a body is not overly interested in what you can get somewhere else within our rules.
We do see a large number of dedi requests that cannot be satisfied without our old rules.
The trail will run.
It is just a trial.
You will all get the change to vote on it in April.
Good night Seattle.