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OK, by armed courier then.
Well, at least one.
Oberhostbandfuhrer Saumagen will soon knock at your door to verrrrify your i-dent-ity!
Live in Frankfurt, 22 Dezember 17!
Now I'm wet.
Hey baby..
You are aware that he is Swedish, not German?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Günther_(singer)
Yes. I wasn't going to post Kraftwerk, though.
That would indeed not have been the same!
Also, Rammstein is way overdone, and well..
I did not "recommend" Netcup. What I said was something to the effect of "they are a serious, not at all small, and solid operation" and the context (iirc) was someones question like "who and what the fuck is Netcup? Ever heard of them?"
The reason for not recommending them btw isn't any lack of quality but merely my lack of concrete experience with them. That said, I've heard many positive opinions on Netcup and very few negative ones, so quite probably Netcup is indeed a fine hoster.
Btw, it seems to me that german hosters are generally quite OK, probably mainly due to three factors, a) having DeCix (about the biggest IX on this planet) and and pretty much any german location being "close by" (< 500 km), b) relatively close to AMS, PAR, LON, and c) germans usually being rather professionally minded ("If you do something, do it well!") as well as being (positively) conservative in business ("Obey the law and don't fuck your customers!").
That said, germany unfortunately also is one of the least tolerant countries (in terms of dmca, eavesdropping, servile to nsa/cia, right laws (e.g. re. porn)). Simply put: For business hosting in germany is great, for private or let alone questionable stuff germany is about as attractive as a siberian gulag.
@Netcup
At least on your "sonderangebote" site you provide very little tech. info. You might want to add considerably more beef to the marketing bla bla bones.
@bsdguy
yes you'll get a /64 with each server
would be interesting to hear, if you'd be able to get VAT deducted anyway :-)
if you need more and are able to wait, it might be worth to check their x-mas calendar which most likely will again be available with different offers each day in december...
I remember they had IPs on offer during their easter egg hunt this year too.
In general, a very respectable and serious provider.
Not one of the largest, but that's not necessarily a disadvantage.
Is in business for a long time and has overall very good support.
For a serious, not-"one-day-flie" provider in germany, this is basically the best pricing you can get. Plus there's plenty of opportunities where they offer stuff discounted (advent, easter, bits of stuff every now and then in the "Sonderangebote-Section").
I have had a number of VPS over the years and in general all was fine.
However there is one box (VPS Easter 2016) where I really got a bad apple - it was slow as crap for more than the first year (I forgot to cancel within the first year) and just improved a bit some weeks ago.
Disk speed was ~ 10MB/s.
It was really unusable, opening a page in Plesk could take one minute.
Has improved now, as I wrote, so I can't show no hard facts any more.
Signed up for 3 months at 6.99EUR/mo. The invoice I just paid was for 20.97EUR, so I guess they removed VAT without my asking.
Well, time to party Deutsch style...just broke out an old German mix CD for my commute today. No idea what they're singing about but there's some good flow...
No, I'm afraid not. The advertised prices at netcup include German VAT, which is 19%, so you paid German VAT.
It's another question whether you want to write to them about it.
In Germany prices always include VAT. But if you chose it anyway than apparently you didn't think they are too high :-)
And frankly, experience here on LET is that there's not much point in discussing VAT with Netcup.
I must have missed that earlier discussion.
In any case, it's not really clear (to me) what the precise legal situation is in the case of a server/VPS. One point of view that I've heard is that since the server/VPS is physically located in (say) Germany, German VAT applies even if the customer isn't located in Germany (unless there's a treaty that says that the customer pays the VAT of his/her country, as in the case of the EU). If this point of view is accepted, then there's no way not to pay (German or EU) VAT.
Well, it’s Kimsufi pricing for much better resources so I am not going to complain.
And apparently it wouldn’t make any difference if I did.
I agree on the point, that it seems not always clear how it has to be handled. it is right, that by german law usually the location of fulfillment plays a big role, yet after 2015 and the regulation made in the EU regarding electronic services (under which server/vps most likely are rendered) the place of fulfillment is always placed at the buyers location. hence customers from other europe countries have to pay the VAT of their country and not the german one. to keep in line with that people from countries outside europe don't have to pay any VAT at all for such electronic services.
afaik it isn't clarified yet by the highest courts if and what servers/vps really are and what location might be the place of fulfillment etc. - so probably one might have another point of view and charge german VAT anyway, which most likely isn't against the law at all, as long as it is correctly declared and paid to the tax authorities...
PS:
that's the price including VAT as @angstrom already mentioned so you could open a ticket and ask them about removing it.
you also could have used one of those coupons to get another 5€ deducted on the first order :-P
My understanding is that the tax treaty within the EU applies generally and is not specific to electronic services, so (e.g.) if a resident of the Netherlands orders pencils from Germany, he/she will pay Dutch VAT and not German VAT. Electronic services ordered within the EU are treated in exactly the same way, and indeed, netcup adjusts the VAT accordingly if the customer is within the EU but outside of Germany.
The case of interest is when the customer is outside of the EU, and here, there's an uncertainty regarding electronic services (in the present instance, servers/VPSes), namely, whether they're more akin to pencils sent abroad or to services provided locally. Clearly, if (e.g.) @raindog308 visited Germany and got a pedicure there, he wouldn't be able to get the VAT refunded on his pedicure at the airport before returning to the US. In contrast, if he bought (expensive) pencils there, he would (should) be able to get the VAT refunded on his pencils at the airport before returning home.
Clearly, netcup is thinking of their servers/VPses as services provided locally, and until a legal decision is made otherwise, it seems like a reasonable interpretation of servers/VPses (given that they are physically located in Germany).
(I think that you and I are in agreement. :-) I just wanted to say that the tax treaty within the EU applies generally, no matter how electronic services are conceived.)
Yep.
Played with what I got, but don't feel like fighting LET's lame CF filter.
https://pastebin.com/Hqy70CBU
It's just a VM with 240G of space. The 4x120G is really irrelevant.
And because you people like this kind of thing:
By the way, that offer is still available: https://www.netcup.eu/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=1605 . (You noted otherwise in pastebin.)
Woops, yeah @angstrom that's what I bought.
no they are not :-)
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/telecommunications-broadcasting-electronic-services_en
and specific informations about germany (esp. read the first paragraph ;-))
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/moss_2017_de_en.pdf
PS: but I agree it's a pain in the ... for most people that have to deal with the whole VAT things at all
can you please geekbench? thanks in advance
I'm not much of a bencher and wasn't familiar with that one. Looks like that bench costs $10?
That's what I concluded from geekbench.com. I could easily be wrong.
no it's free :-) linux direct download link: http://cdn.geekbench.com/Geekbench-4.2.0-Linux.tar.gz
just extract and run ./geekbench4 from commandline (chdir accordingly ;-)).
it will provide a link to the result in the end...
Hmmm. Might be worth picking up, any clarification on bandwidth?