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Of course, then you can see it's not isolated to you only.
So the thread here, on WHT, and probably a few dozen other places wasn't enough for you to determine that it wasn't isolated to you?
You have a point. Open a petition "IT Companies! Get rid of useless status pages!" on change.org and I will sign it.
Not really sure if you're trolling but...
Maybe there are people using AWS and not in the hosting industry. Ever thought of that?
Also, why would I need to go on some forum site to see if the issue is isolated to me or not?
amazon had its status page on itself. Sheer brillance! What more do you need to know whether they are us of a large corp standard idiots or ridiculous idiots?
rule #1: stay away from us of a corps, especially from large ones.
rule #2: Not needed.
Looks like Amazon has posted an explanation of the issue. https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/
Fat finger with low sanity checks.
Nothing unusual.
This needs to be quoted again. And again. And again.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/02/aws_s3_meltdown/
"an Administrator pulled to much Servers out of the cloud at once"
You must be new to the cloud term.
Redundant redundancy...
I think it's opposite, in my understanding the cloud is more just one server/node and all in cluster redundant, if one or 10 node have some issues the other will pickup the tasks, this is a reason why it's more expensive as you do get true 100% uptime. Majority of companies do sell VPS services and named it as cloud.
Like these days with amazon?
I'd avoid our operating systems, too, BSD Guy.
a) I didn't say "I hate us-americans!" but I said that one should avoid us of a corps.
b) "Our" OS? I didn't know that the BSDs (or even linux) are us-american OS. Kindly elaborate.
While not true in 2017. I guess he means Berkeley Software Distribution.
Oh, I didn't doubt that there would be something, anything that could be construed to mean that the BSDs are us-american.
I am, however, interested in reality.
Funnily, the us of a corps don't care a rats ass about whom they plunder, betray, and lie to; us-americans, french, bangladeshi, no matter. With one funny factor, though: All the others get it while at least some us-americans don't get it and even defend those corps. Probably some form of "patriotism" that crossed the border of what's healthy ...
I don't think Amazon claims any of those: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is-cloud-computing/
MajorityAll of companies do sell VPS services and named it as cloud.Well, that is still possible, they didnt build the wall there yet.
Explain, please. How BSD is not us-american?
Cute attempt, if, of course, utterly lacking in logic. I'll end that game now by setting you a task. Granted, a rather complicated one for you, as it is about mental activity:
Does any of the 3 major BSDs match the attribute "large us of a corp"?
You see, I'm not against us-americans but against large us-american corps. Working intellectually hard enough you will sooner or later arrive at the point of understanding the difference.
Thanks for the entertainment.
I'm guessing you're not running any x86 cpus then.
How immensely smart! You got me; yes there are some very few products I buy from large us of a corps; indirectly but still.
Let me give you a hint: If you have, say, 50 large corps, 5 of which one can't - yet - escape, you take satisfaction out of happily focussing on others needing to buy from those 5.
Everyone with a brain, however, would understand that to be a situation where only 10% of your corps - still - can enforce themselves on others while 90% can't. Everyone with a brain would recognize that as alarming - you, however, are happy and enjoy a "victory".
Think!
Europe and Russia have about double as many clients/customers as you. India and China aren't - yet - on par with you but have each over a billion citizens and, to make it worse, China already is building their own processors.
If you cared to look at things with an activated brain you'd find that you, the people of the us of a, are among the worst fucked victims of "your" corps (which would sell you and your children out tomorrow morning if your dead bodies were profitable).
Cute attempt? I asked you to elaborate on what you just said. And always made a special effort to say "please" and be extra special attentive to your brittle ego. But you just can't stomach politeness and level headed discussion.
And list goes on and on, as @teamacc rightly noticed. Big, small and medium USA companies built an incredible amount of technology we used and currently use. Not to forget about individuals like Bob Fabry who by a mere coincidence are US citizens working for USA companies or USA government.
I know it hurts you to read USA company each time you have to lay your eyes on it. So I made sure you don't miss it.
Weak and pathetic to change your argument after you realized what a bunch of bullshit you just said. Bad try adding "large" to change meaning and sleaze your way out. This is a public forum and your original statement to which we replied is just a few lines away:
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And regarding
Only in your deluded paranoid mind you may attempt to appear smart and authoritative by putting down other people, by insulting mental capabilities of a person(s) you don't know and who never did anything wrong to you prior that.
Ask around and you will see what you don't wish to notice - you appear miserable because you are so desperate to be right and above everyone else, no matter what. I have no desire to treat a dick as a normal person in this community.
Well, one can, of course, misinterpret a non profit "company" like FreeBSD as "large us of a corp" but according to any reasonable classification FreeBSD is not a large us of a corp.
Which directly brings us to a major point, namely, not listening and not arguing based on what was said/written but rather on what one perceived.
My statement was clear and it was not difficult at all to understand it for anyone with a brain and some linguistic capability.
I talked about "large us of a corps" - which part of that was intellectually too challenging?
There are 3 elements, namely, "large" (as opposed to mid size or small), "us of a", and "corp(oration)s". That should be within the intellectual reach of pretty much every one here, I thought - and erred, it seems.
There was no need, simple.
That's the point where I stopped reading because evidently you left the realm of ratio.
FACT is that I said "large us of a corps" from the beginning. I had no need whatsoever for maneuvers. If I made a mistake then it was to trust in your (and some others) ability to discern between "large us of a corps", "us-americans", etc.
The problem is what I call the "a flag in every toilet phenomenon", utterly retarded "patriotism" without any brains.
There was NO attack on us-americans and not even one on your country. None on us-american breweries, none on us-american moose and none on us-american blondes.
I specified clearly enough: "large us of a corps". But you and others only got "us of a" and went into "defend at any price and keep the fairy tale of superiority alive" mode. That's all.
Well noted, the context of this discussion is a "large us of a corp" (amazon) having fucked up big time. That same "us of a large corp" is very closely "cooperating" with the deep state agencies spying on us-american citizens and on others. And you really think I'm the problem?
Large corporations have a role to play too, the sad thing is they are also policy makers, i.e. legislative power, which should not happen in any way shape or form.
There is nothing wrong with the innovation economies of scale can bring, fundamental research and stuff, as long as they do not control the market directly, through monopoly power and indirectly through "friendly" laws.
A mafia state is a state where the mafia needs not abscond from the law, because it is them which issue the law.
We have today two forms of this:
1. The classic example, oligarchies which legislate for their members, such as Russia and the rump states it controls (transnistria, osetia, abkhazia, cechenya, Crimeea and the other territories it took from Ukraine) also, Ukraine, is only slowly emerging from that state, many other countries in the region, but that is not only happening in Asia, there are other countries such as Mexico, Brazil, countless others in Africa, etc;
2. The not-so-obvious example but which is here for hundreds of years, the corporatist state, at first the colonial powers such as NL and England which were more or less run by the colonial huge companies and waged war as they needed, to the classical example of US of A where the large companies use a legal form of bribery to control the law so they can maintain their monopolies and profits, lower taxation for themselves, wage war as needed to maintain military spending, etc.
The traditional checks and balances in such a company-state were maintained by other, ideological lawmakers, such as cults, imperialists, socialists, militarists which often had divergent interests, or, at least, different priorities.
They have united now against the common sense, and, while the religious right is losing steam more and more, together with the others and the propaganda spread by uninformed people, managed to put Trump in the white house and control congress, soon the judiciary too.
There is a backlash, but it may be too little too late. We live in interesting times, an exponent of the company-state campaigned against it and managed to win... Well, now we see how he is draining the swamp with Russian help :P
Boys, boys, boys- you're missing what's truly important!
Right, and I was making fun of that silliness. One company has an outage and that's reason to avoid an entire country's hosting? That is as silly as saying avoid all operating systems from a country.
By the logic, when OVH has an outage, we should avoid every hosting company in France...would you? BuyVM had an outage a few years ago...should we avoid all Canadian hosting companies?
That's not what you said. You said "rule #1: stay away from us of a corps, especially from large ones. rule #2: Not needed."
"Stay away from us of a corps" includes virtually all hosting in North America. Because one company had an outage. I do indeed find that intellectually challenging.
If you said stay away from large corporations because you get better service at smaller ones, or if you said stay away from USA corps because you are concerned about the NSA, or if you were boycotting USA corps because you think a nation that would put ketchup on eggs is just wrong, those would all make sense. What you posted really didn't.
Although I'm not shopping for a car right now, I'd consider a German car next time I do, but I'd have strong reservations about Volkswagon given recent history. I wouldn't say "stay away from all German companies" but I might say "stay away from Volkswagon". Etc ad nauseum...
@raindog308
The fact that I didn't mention the whole reasoning doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Clearly: No, 1 corp failing is not my reason to advise against all corps of a given country.
As for corp and large corp, I might be wrong but my understanding is that "corp" per se implies at least mid-size company. Joe's bakery isn't a corp neither is Jane hosting service with 5 or even 15 people.
And cloudfail is by no means a singular case. The list of fails of us of a corps is a long one.
And there are reasons for that. ultra-capitalism for example or a lousy education system; there are regions where about 3/4 of people can't properly read and write and do math after high-school. But from what I see the main culprit is the ultra-capitalist system where sheer profit greed is the driving force.
And that's certainly not just my lone "us of a hater" view. I've read and heard it countless times from us of a developers themselves: Rather than being allowed to fix at least bad errors they are pushed for a new version with new features.
Of course there are some exceptions but grosso modo I stick to what I said: I avoid us of a corps, particularly large ones - and for good reasons.