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US government sanctions Autistici Inventati, Italian pro-privacy email provider

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  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep

    @hyperblast said:

    @forest said:

    @iriska said: Posteo is nice.

    They do look nice. I'll consider migrating to them. Edit: Seems they don't take crypto.

    Maybe mailbox.org or disroot...

    ...only to fall into the same trap again soon after? mailb0x.0rg and disr00t are also [questionable] political providers (no judgment intended).

    Well, its part of the nature of the service I guess 🤔

    And just like all the .... always say, your political view should not be reason to be cancelled or censored.

  • @forest said:
    Any recommendations for pro-privacy email hosts with decent deliverability then?

    Right now I just use namecrane. I used to use tuta but got annoyed by how slow it is just load my inbox.

  • @concept said: I used to use tuta but got annoyed by how slow it is just load my inbox.

    I was using them for a secondary email a few years ago, and then they had downtime lasting days and then I decided I will never touch them again.

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  • forestforest Member

    @concept said:

    @forest said:
    Any recommendations for pro-privacy email hosts with decent deliverability then?

    Right now I just use namecrane. I used to use tuta but got annoyed by how slow it is just load my inbox.

    Is namecrane better than disroot? I've heard namecrane has frequent issues.

  • @3K33 said: Tuta, but lack of IMAP/SMTP is not ideal.

    indeed not ideal... tuta and other (supposedly secure) providers rely on closed systems and do not adhere to universally accepted email standards such as IMAP, POP, and SMTP.

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  • forestforest Member
    edited August 28

    @hyperblast said:

    @3K33 said: Tuta, but lack of IMAP/SMTP is not ideal.

    indeed not ideal... tuta and other (supposedly secure) providers rely on closed systems and do not adhere to universally accepted email standards such as IMAP, POP, and SMTP.

    I dislike those "secure" email services like Tuta and Proton. I'd much rather just use GnuPG rather than having to trust that they'll always serve me non-malicious JS.

  • TrKTrK Veteran

    A question if those individuals migrated to namecrane or mxroute using cheap XYZ domains, will the government sanction those as well and since both have US as business bases are we looking at some serious legal trouble?

  • @hyperblast said:

    @3K33 said: Tuta, but lack of IMAP/SMTP is not ideal.

    indeed not ideal... tuta and other (supposedly secure) providers rely on closed systems and do not adhere to universally accepted email standards such as IMAP, POP, and SMTP.

    Proton has it in a way. You need a paid plan and you have to use their gross "mail bridge" software, but it's better than nothing.

  • forestforest Member

    @TrK said:
    A question if those individuals migrated to namecrane or mxroute using cheap XYZ domains, will the government sanction those as well and since both have US as business bases are we looking at some serious legal trouble?

    It's not some individual that was sanctioned, but the A/I email host itself.

  • TrKTrK Veteran

    @forest said:

    @TrK said:
    A question if those individuals migrated to namecrane or mxroute using cheap XYZ domains, will the government sanction those as well and since both have US as business bases are we looking at some serious legal trouble?

    It's not some individual that was sanctioned, but the A/I email host itself.

    I mean sanctioning the provider because of its consumer.

  • @Alyx said: your political view should not be reason to be cancelled or censored.

    true.
    but the problem here is that the provider is already positioning itself as a (radical) political provider.

  • @forest said:

    @concept said:

    @forest said:
    Any recommendations for pro-privacy email hosts with decent deliverability then?

    Right now I just use namecrane. I used to use tuta but got annoyed by how slow it is just load my inbox.

    Is namecrane better than disroot? I've heard namecrane has frequent issues.

    namecrance at least (as far as i know), a politically neutral provider (which i personally like).

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:

    @TrK said:
    A question if those individuals migrated to namecrane or mxroute using cheap XYZ domains, will the government sanction those as well and since both have US as business bases are we looking at some serious legal trouble?

    It's not some individual that was sanctioned, but the A/I email host itself.

    Supposedly, they can't be sanctioned because it's a public service. Well, they should brought this to a court. Where's EFF lawyers?

  • @forest said: I dislike those "secure" email services like Tuta and Proton. I'd much rather just use GnuPG rather than having to trust that they'll always serve me non-malicious JS.

    i totally agree. that's the best way to go! pgp / gnupg has always been the best in security! all hail bruce schneier!

  • forestforest Member

    Welp, namecheap doesn't take crypto either it seems.

  • @Obelous said: Proton has it in a way. You need a paid plan and you have to use their gross "mail bridge" software, but it's better than nothing.

    i'm aware of that. but it's a workaround, not a widely accepted email standard, and who knows exactly what this bridge does. if you want to use it, go ahead. i wouldn't recommend it.

  • @forest said:

    Is namecrane better than disroot? I've heard namecrane has frequent issues.

    Have had no problems with both their US or NL email locations

  • forestforest Member

    @concept said:

    @forest said:

    Is namecrane better than disroot? I've heard namecrane has frequent issues.

    Have had no problems with both their US or NL email locations

    Seems they don't accept cryptocurrency either, so I registered with disroot. I'll have to wait up to 48 hours to get the account request approved, though.

  • emghemgh Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @Obelous said:

    @concept said:
    It's not great when US controls alot of TLDs

    Agreed. I've started moving my primary email away from .com and over to .se, same with DNS and email hosting.

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  • for a long time the internet was a safe harbor for political activism, now its getting hammered from all sides.

  • forestforest Member

    @dbadude said:
    for a long time the internet was a safe harbor for political activism, now its getting hammered from all sides.

    Blame the US misusing sanctions over and over.

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  • @forest said:

    @dbadude said:
    for a long time the internet was a safe harbor for political activism, now its getting hammered from all sides.

    Blame the US misusing sanctions over and over.

    We should blame all governments not celebrating freedom of speech on the net.

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  • dbadudedbadude Member
    edited August 28

    I traveled the world and all governments have more or less some form of internet censorship. Its sad. Thats why i hope alternative web will join forces and make the net anonymous again.

  • @forest said:
    I suspect other email services will start blocking them...

    I hate to ask but... does anyone here trust me enough to send a Riseup invite? I think I need to move... a lot of services.

    yeah i can send you one. dm

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  • forestforest Member

    @cloromorpho said:

    @forest said:
    I suspect other email services will start blocking them...

    I hate to ask but... does anyone here trust me enough to send a Riseup invite? I think I need to move... a lot of services.

    yeah i can send you one. dm

    Got the invite and created an account. Thanks man!

    Now for the long journey of migrating all my accounts over to the new email...

  • @forest said: Seems they don't take crypto.

    They do not but they take cash-in-post, for extra paranoid customers.

  • @forest said: trust

    It is always about trust, with everyone, including your favorite political email providers.

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  • forestforest Member

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @forest said: trust

    It is always about trust, with everyone, including your favorite political email providers.

    Hence the reason to use GnuPG.

  • @forest said: Hence the reason to use GnuPG.

    >

    Exactly but then it does not matter what you use, even gmail.

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  • forestforest Member

    @JohnFilch123 said: Exactly but then it does not matter what you use, even gmail.

    It does if I care about having a lightweight interface that doesn't bog my browser down and the ability to reach an actual human if I need to reach their support.

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