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  • rpqurpqu Member

    bla bla bla

  • Also i can now ignore myself, which is kinda glorious.

  • forestforest Member

    @whynotlearn said:

    @forest said: The best part is that he has no idea that I actually said bla bla bla. Joke's on him, I can get around the filter that way!

    To confuse the enemy you must confuse yourself first

    -Sun tzu, art of war.

    "If you don't know what you're doing, your enemy won't know what you're doing"

  • @forest said: "If you don't know what you're doing, your enemy won't know what you're doing"

    "That's what she said"
    -Michael Scott, the office. (I think Michael was following that advice actually lol)

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • WyvernCoWyvernCo Member

    @AlteredParadox said:
    Also i can now ignore myself, which is kinda glorious.

    Make it so if you ignore yourself, it actually autoconverts anything you type into the comment box "bla bla bla" as you type it :D

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @beanman109 said:

    @Void said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said: That still needs a "please explain."

    what do you mean

    How does a meme get you a severe warning?
    Yet there are users who post in bad faith, constantly flame and they get away with it.

    Somebody please explain the standards here lol.

    oles liked hetzner, i think he got a special deal or something for his free vps project, and so he wanted to be their knight in shining armor and used his moderation power to warn me for posting a meme about hetzner

    Can you post that meme again, now that he is no longer in a position to warn anyone?

    i have a faint feeling it was this one

    YES THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT ME SIVIR

    Reminds me of another VPS outage.
    They didn't buy an entire rack, they just bought like 1/4.

    The Dude after him, unplugged his dedi, "accidentally".
    Fkn donkey.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @Neoon said:

    @emgh said:

    @beanman109 said:

    @Void said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said: That still needs a "please explain."

    what do you mean

    How does a meme get you a severe warning?
    Yet there are users who post in bad faith, constantly flame and they get away with it.

    Somebody please explain the standards here lol.

    oles liked hetzner, i think he got a special deal or something for his free vps project, and so he wanted to be their knight in shining armor and used his moderation power to warn me for posting a meme about hetzner

    Can you post that meme again, now that he is no longer in a position to warn anyone?

    i have a faint feeling it was this one

    YES THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT ME SIVIR

    Reminds me of another VPS outage.
    They didn't buy an entire rack, they just bought like 1/4.

    The Dude after him, unplugged his dedi, "accidentally".
    Fkn donkey.

    I think the only proper response is to test their A+B delivery

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @rpqu said:

    @Neoon said:

    @emgh said:

    @beanman109 said:

    @Void said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said: That still needs a "please explain."

    what do you mean

    How does a meme get you a severe warning?
    Yet there are users who post in bad faith, constantly flame and they get away with it.

    Somebody please explain the standards here lol.

    oles liked hetzner, i think he got a special deal or something for his free vps project, and so he wanted to be their knight in shining armor and used his moderation power to warn me for posting a meme about hetzner

    Can you post that meme again, now that he is no longer in a position to warn anyone?

    i have a faint feeling it was this one

    YES THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT ME SIVIR

    Reminds me of another VPS outage.
    They didn't buy an entire rack, they just bought like 1/4.

    The Dude after him, unplugged his dedi, "accidentally".
    Fkn donkey.

    I think the only proper response is to test their A+B delivery

    Obviously this is LET, the dedi only had one PSU.

    Thanked by 3WyvernCo forest Obelous
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @Neoon said:

    @rpqu said:

    @Neoon said:

    @emgh said:

    @beanman109 said:

    @Void said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @emgh said:

    @MaxTakeba said: That still needs a "please explain."

    what do you mean

    How does a meme get you a severe warning?
    Yet there are users who post in bad faith, constantly flame and they get away with it.

    Somebody please explain the standards here lol.

    oles liked hetzner, i think he got a special deal or something for his free vps project, and so he wanted to be their knight in shining armor and used his moderation power to warn me for posting a meme about hetzner

    Can you post that meme again, now that he is no longer in a position to warn anyone?

    i have a faint feeling it was this one

    YES THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT ME SIVIR

    Reminds me of another VPS outage.
    They didn't buy an entire rack, they just bought like 1/4.

    The Dude after him, unplugged his dedi, "accidentally".
    Fkn donkey.

    I think the only proper response is to test their A+B delivery

    Obviously this is LET, the dedi only had one PSU.

    Thanked by 1forest
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @barbaros said:
    I start to believe Jar is getting support from some people here just because they have great deal from MXRoute for long time.

    So his brand/product is acting as shield for him.

    If he was some average LET host (instead of email delivery business) he would got impaled already.

    I find mxroute service awesome and I have maybe the best deal he ever done but I still find the trustpilot thing dumb

  • ralfralf Member

    @forest said:

    @MannDude said: wyvern mentions trying or wanting to get jarland's PayPal banned.

    He said he could have if he was spiteful but didn't because all he wanted was to have the attack page removed, not deplatform jar. Somehow that got mangled in translation and was used as evidence against him.

    No idea if this has been covered as I still have 250+ posts to read to catch up, but this is BS. Getting the attack page removed? It was a time limited promotion, limited to what a day max?

    What's also interesting is that you despute Jar's claim that he's being stalked, but this was over a month ago and the promo started and stopped on a single day, and was also over a month ago.

    Something has happened since then that prompted Jar to feel the need to stick that notice up, after having already left LET back in February.

    I think a simpler timeline is:

    1. Jar said something that some people disagreed with and an argument started
    2. Jar started calling people crybabies and insulting their mental health
    3. Wyvern went to another thread and linked to the argument
    4. Jar created an unhinged attack promo
    5. Wyvern reported the promo to Hetzner
    6. Jar tried to dox Wyvern but (might have) gotten the wrong person instead

    A perfect timeline to make you two look like innocent heroes, because it conveniently wraps up all the initial sustained attack as just "an argument started" stemming from a single expression of opinion from Jar.

  • MikePTMikePT Veteran

    @mpkossen said:
    I got this saga on my Reddit feed as part of r/selfhosted and man, LET has not changed a bit :D

    Been a long time!

    I hope all is well!

    Thanked by 1mpkossen
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Selecting people to not see is nice i guess

    But selecting people to not see my comments would be incredible

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • congrats to two people that managed to deplatform mxroute from LET

    don't delay, harass the next provider today!

    Thanked by 1TimRoo
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ScreenReader said:
    congrats to two people that managed to deplatform mxroute from LET

    don't delay, harass the next provider today!

    It’s not 100 % either parties fault

    I think everyone who’s reasonable can agree with this

  • ralfralf Member

    @WyvernCo said:
    @MannDude Not impressed how you're twisting events to try and make me look bad or make this look like a "both sides" issue when it absolutely is not.

    Events don't need to be twisted to make you look bad.

    • The "following around" is a dumb twisting of what really happened - pointing out relevant information where mxroute was being discussed in two separate threads. This is well within fair rules of any discussion forum.

    I disagree. Given that many of your worst posts were deleted from the thread as well suggests that your view isn't correct.

    • Jar was not authorized to sell his product using my name. This was a dumb, spiteful move on Jar's part, and he should have known better than to try and do something so risky with billing systems. I was well within my rights to ask that behavior stop.

    He doesn't need to be. You apparently don't, in fact, own a trademark for your name. People can use that name however they see fit.

    • Jar profited off insulting me, which is also not okay.

    If someone made and sold a mug depicting and naming Donald Trump as an idiot, they'd also profit from that, and it's also considered OK by our society.

    • "despite knowing that his information was likely from the (questionable) abuse email" - Which again, I didn't provide much useful that could be used in that so I don't believe this is what happened. If you don't believe me, read up in the thread, someone leaked it. You're twisting things around to make it look like I'm acting in bad faith here.

    A hosting provider is supposed to forward abuse mails to the accused, so they can address the issue or refute it. Or do you just think that any old random claim (and also seeming baseless claim in this case, if you don't even own the trademark you claim is being infringed) should be sufficient to shut down any company you disagree with?

    • Reddit - What context? You want me to make a 20 page post? You've basically invented your own narrative and upset I'm not playing into it.

    What were your motivations for starting the Reddit post?

    Thanked by 1skorous
  • forestforest Member
    edited April 8

    @ralf said: What's also interesting is that you despute Jar's claim that he's being stalked, but this was over a month ago and the promo started and stopped on a single day, and was also over a month ago.

    I dispute the claim that going into one other thread is "stalking". If there are additional facts that have not been revealed, I am unaware of them. Do you have evidence that Wyvern was following jar around after the flash sale? Or is this speculation?

    @ralf said: A perfect timeline to make you two look like innocent heroes

    No one is trying to make anyone look like a hero. I'm not going to entertain such accusations.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said: What were your motivations for starting the Reddit post?

    same reason there was drama in the first place

    same reason jar created the promo calling them psycho

    it's just an endless cycle of them responding to what the other did with one upping and it won't end until one of them says "ok im going to be the bigger man here and just stop"

    no one's 100% at fault here, but one can look good by choosing to just quit it all and not entertain any of it anymore

  • ralfralf Member

    @forest said:

    @PickleFarts said:
    @forest LOL how does one dox someone if it isn't the correct person? Also, you keep mentioning doxing, but if this information is public, it's not doxing.

    Whether or not he doxed the right person is irrelevant. He tried to dox him and get him fired. If he threatened an innocent person's livelihood instead, that doesn't make it much better.

    Taking that logic, why do you think that @WyvernCo's actions trying to destroy @jar's livelihood is acceptable? Why do you keep defending him? Especially as that was what led to Jar having the name to even look up?

  • @emgh said:

    @ralf said: What were your motivations for starting the Reddit post?

    same reason there was drama in the first place

    same reason jar created the promo calling them psycho

    it's just an endless cycle of them responding to what the other did with one upping and it won't end until one of them says "ok im going to be the bigger man here and just stop"

    no one's 100% at fault here, but one can look good by choosing to just quit it all and not entertain any of it anymore

    We can also agree that this conversation has moved exactly nowhere and we've gone full circle several times...

    💤

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said: @WyvernCo's actions trying to destroy @jar's livelihood is acceptable?

    no proof of this exists, it's just your assumption

    he tried to fuck with it a bit, destroy is over the top given what proof exists thus far

    let's not present opinions as the objective truth

    Thanked by 1forest
  • forestforest Member
    edited April 8

    @ralf said: Taking that logic, why do you think that @WyvernCo's actions trying to destroy @jar's livelihood is acceptable?

    Because I trust WyvernCo when he said that his goal was to remove the attack ad, not to destroy jar's livelihood. If WyvernCo went out of his way to destroy jar's business itself, I would absolutely not support him.

    Thanked by 2emgh whynotlearn
  • WyvernCoWyvernCo Member

    @ralf said: I disagree. Given that many of your worst posts were deleted from the thread as well suggests that your view isn't correct.

    Which specific posts of mine were deleted? You keep alleging this but haven't brought any receipts. Meanwhile, if you go back in that thread, I'm sure you can find plenty of instances of Jar saying some vile things about forest and I (forest already quoted some in this thread earlier, so feel free to refer to that).

    @ralf said: If someone made and sold a mug depicting and naming Donald Trump as an idiot, they'd also profit from that, and it's also considered OK by our society.

    FYI as a public figure, Trump has fewer rights of publicity than a private, non-famous person.

    @ralf said: A hosting provider is supposed to forward abuse mails to the accused, so they can address the issue or refute it.

    This isn't what we were talking about, but keep twisting, I guess.

  • forestforest Member

    MaxTakeba is right. This has been going around in circles. Maybe we should, at the very least, not escalate with assumptions of bad faith behavior. No new information is coming out, and this entire thread has been reduced to accusations of bad faith. At the very least, we can agree that shit went down and no one here is an angel.

    Thanked by 2whynotlearn emgh
  • webbynetwebbynet Member

    @ScreenReader said:
    congrats to two people that managed to deplatform mxroute from LET

    don't delay, harass the next provider today!

    Am I the only one who thinks these two are just attention-seeking LET newbies trying to manufacture a 'cancel' moment by dragging this out?

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • forestforest Member
    edited April 8

    @webbynet said:

    @ScreenReader said:
    congrats to two people that managed to deplatform mxroute from LET

    don't delay, harass the next provider today!

    Am I the only one who thinks these two are just attention-seeking LET newbies trying to manufacture a 'cancel' moment by dragging this out?

    Hey, I never went out to deplatform anyone and I am firmly against the very concept of deplatforming.

    Thanked by 1rpqu
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited April 8

    anyway my point is that from both sides it's just ego's fueling everything right now

    credits to @forest who I think stepped back somewhat, I would still advice you though to not participate in mxroute discussions in regards to offer threads etc, maybe if you really need to, a singular comment if someone is asking for a review is fine, any more is just begging for the drama again

    everything's way too infected for something good to come out of that anyway

    I honestly can see this from both wyvern's and jar's pont of view

    of course when you see someone trying to get you intro trouble at work it's triggering, but let's not pretend it started like that, it was constantly one-upping at every level until then, but I can see why he reacted by further spreading the word on mxroute

    as to jar I honestly think that he overreacted as well, a lot, he should have just responded with a single comment, maybe ask his wife or a friend to read it and make sure it's professional and then just not entertain it anymore, the issue is that when you spent 10 years of your life building something, if people talk down on that it's triggering, when people repeatedly do it, you have to have a great amount of self control to not respond like jar did - it's not easy

    and that's why companies use public relations people, because it's damn hard to not get lost seeing people try to damage the reputation of what you built, and it can easily lead to you damaging it even more by responding

    it's not wyvern's or forest's fault that jar did respond the way he did either, they didn't force him to react, he did that, and so I'm not defending that


    didn't really read through the above and I probably would have worded stuff better, but this is where I'm at and it's also why I don't think anyone is innocent here

  • forestforest Member

    @emgh said: credits to @forest who I think stepped back somewhat, I would still advice you though to not participate in mxroute discussions in regards to offer threads etc, maybe if you really need to, a singular comment if someone is asking for a review is fine, any more is just begging for the drama again

    I agree. My intention, when this particular thread dies down, is to distance myself from this whole nonsense.

    Thanked by 2emgh whynotlearn
  • @emgh said: the issue is that when you spent 10 years of your wife building something

    Life, not wife xD, the whole meaning changes when you say wife @emgh

    I am laughing so hard right now.

    Thanked by 2WyvernCo emgh
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