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How can anyone like Hetzner?
It's love&hate relationship
i have a faint feeling it was this one
I never understood the hype around mxroute here.
nothing special and certainly not adequate
Bumbaclart
it looks like...
You urgently need to help a random granny cross the road or save a cat from a tree.
Link reddit thread
nvm:
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1sfaclb/popular_email_host_mxroute_tried_to_get_me_fired/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mxroute/comments/1sfcykp/ama_mxroute_tried_to_get_me_fired/
Aaand here is there real deal:
"Here's the short version: this person has been stalking and harassing me across platforms, and filing fraudulent legal complaints against our vendors in an explicit effort to get MXroute shut down. After one of those complaints caused real disruption, I contacted their employer, not to get them fired, but hoping they'd de-escalate once they realized I knew who they were and could pursue actual legal action if necessary. That got reframed as "tried to get me fired.""
Sooo, OP. Tafak?
Reporting someone to their host for breach of ToS is harassment?
Hey @forest just woke up, hope y'all had a good day.
Can you give me a tldr
Thanks in advance mate!
Things calmed down a bit. A large Reddit thread was created. It got botted in the pro-jar direction for a while but the bot votes were removed and it's settled where it is now, which is people criticizing jar for his actions.
Jar claims that those fillings was fraudulent and caused business disruption. So, who started the shit show first? OP or Jar?
Fraud requires an intent to deceive. WyvernCo obviously believed (wrongly) that his trademark theory held legal water. If he had just gone with ToS breach in the first place, it would have been valid.
Reporting someone for a ToS breach is not fraud. The person who started the shit show first was whoever took criticism personally and replied with personal attacks. WyvernCo was not 100% innocent either, but his biggest crime isn't retaliatory reviews or doxing or abusing influence to spread insults, but misunderstanding how personality rights laws work.
@Levi Already addressed in this thread, but:
This is a dumpster fire. I love it.
I thought you are getting ready for an interview
but naaah, you are reading dramas.
As I see here, you attack Jarland Donnel personally (you already know his name and surname) via his company.
Why you did not pursue legal actions but started this shit show? What's the point? Do you still want that MXroute (and all customers) face downtime / damage?
Your actions was not rational from the start. You are evil person. Jarland is not the angel, but he was triggered.
He already answered. Legal action is extremely expensive.
Unless something else happened that I'm not aware of, wasn't his goal to remove the insults against him, which was being hosted by his company? Whether or not Wyvern overreacted, his stated goal the entire time was to get the sale removed. I really wouldn't say Wyvern is, as you put it, evil, for trying to get the insult removed.
reading dramas is part of the job xD
On a serious note, if pulsedmedia wants to hire/interview me, I am more than happy and then they can message me and I can prepare for the interview but they haven't responded it so thus reading the drama.
Make sure to create a keybind for the em dash.
This same was done to jar, reporting him to Hetzner
What a shit show, i like MXr as a transactional mail relay and nothing comes close, how jar usually reacts sure is uncomfortable and jar and MXr are both different legal identities you can file a case with a prosecutor or any murican police station if you are in murica and get done with it, also I would like angry storm san to just close this cess pool and let the peeps breath a little.
Reporting a ToS breach. That's quite different from tracking down and doxing someone and trying to get them fired.
No one is 100% innocent here, but I think people are going harder on Wyvern than necessary. He only tried to get an insult removed from jar's website.
Here is log:
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1sfaclb/popular_email_host_mxroute_tried_to_get_me_fired/
Essentially, OP was not happy how Jar review other business's and how he deals with people who terminate accounts on bad review basis (try hosthatch on that matter
). And he started the crusade which landed this topic as a finale.
"Expensive lawsuits" should be considered before you take any actions. If you can't stand for your actions in a court of law - then don't do it.
That's skipping over jar escalating with his attack sale. Before that, did Wyvern do anything else other than criticize jar here, on LET? Do you believe that he should not have criticized jar and that jar, upon receiving criticism, was right to have used his superior reach to publicize an insult? That is when shit went down.
The sequence of events was not:
It was:
Who is harassing who here?
... lol, what?
(IANAL) but Also one like wyvern can firstly make a post like this showing how jar attempted to (atleast) fire him and for really what and this backstory to us, but also to the court. I had previously suggested him to contact a lawyer friend just in case if there is a good lawsuit. So I am unable to see why he can't do both things
isn't the WHOLE drama about how jar tries to silence any criticism/bad-reviews online and your suggestion is for wyvern to do just that? It feels a little hypocritical if the other side isn't staying silent either and heck is doing botting within the reddit threads now?
We don't know.
I guess initial trigger here, on LET, was catalyst to the whole incident. But non-the-less, both parties is to blame and should solve their problems in a court. This drama for Wyvern guy bares 0 damage (except that his workplace now knows where he spends his majority of work time), but for MXroute this is collapse of public image. For Jarland personally - this may result in reduced income.
Do you think this whole ordeal is adequate in compare to Donnels actions?
By your own logic:
So shouldn't jar have thought about the PR consequences of his own actions?
So why are you calling Wyvern evil if you don't even know if he did anything else?
As for court, that should always be the last resort and shows a complete breakdown in the ability to handle things socially. It's also very expensive. Even if Wyvern has legal standing for defamation, going through the court system is exceptionally stressful for all parties involved.
He did it - he cancelled sales on LET and personally for me - I'am looking for new email provider (more expensive for the same features as mxroute).