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You know as well as the rest of us that that wasn't all he did. And no, I don't think doxing is an appropriate response.
My point was just that if you act like a dick towards someone, and keep on hounding them (and you know full well that he didn't just write a review and that was it), then yes you can expect some percentage of they people you hound to not just take it, but to lash out and retaliate.
To be crystal clear: both parties are in the wrong.
That's all I've seen him do and all he asserted he's done.
But even if he did harass him (and remember, it's only the doxxer who is asserting that), doxing and trying to ruin his livelihood is a disproportionate response.
How? It's Jar that looks to have used privileged information to connect an otherwise anonymous online identity to his real world employer, and then weaponized that connection by posting a negative review on the employer’s page.
Prior to that any of this there was absolutely no public link between WyvernCo and his workplace. That’s the real issue.
Take a few steps back.
Someone was actively doxxed, jar had left a review written in a way that was designed to get someone fired.
Now there has been 0 proof of the swatting that was mentioned in the email.
I also want to know with the honest truth what receipts everyone has.
And whilst Jar can do whatever he wants... Doxxing in a review is not okay. Nor is swatting.
@jar is a MAGA clown.
He has constantly been disrespectful toward his customers, and then he gets offended like a little girl and makes a statement like this.
If he wanted to be treated more politely, he should have behaved differently.
Most of MXroute’s customers come from LowEndTalk, and many of them from Black Friday offers that have been available year-round.
I guess times have changed, hardware and software prices have gone up, and the old 3-year shared mail hosting Black Friday deals aren’t profitable anymore.
But leaving this way just makes him look like a cockwomble.
if i was a host i wouldnt want to do anything with LET either
Someone involved in public relations should have a modicum of decorum in how they conduct themselves, or they risk tarnishing the reputation of their clients.
Firstly, I'm not defending jar's actions here. I'm saying that Wyvern was being a dick, and if you push people to their limits, sometimes you push people beyond their limits and they retaliate.
Secondly, we don't know how jar made that connection.
Thirdly, Wyvern had clearly spent a lot of time digging up stuff about jar too.
That doesn't make it OK for someone to be a dick just because they think it's anonymous.
what i'm considering at this point is how i personally feel about the guy running my mail hub reaching the point that he's decided doxxing people is acceptable behavior.
i'm definitely not debating or speculating on whether it's ok.
I still have yet to see any reason to think WyvernCo was being a dick, certainly no less than the guy who kept insulting him and certainly not enough to get doxed.
Everyone is free to write whatever they want on whatever review site sincerely, that is their option either that they write the truth or not.
I have nothing against anyone expressing their opinion, can they back that with facts? that is another discussion.
That is a good question, yet we don't know how, so we are making up things to fill in the missing puzzle???
Ok, I get that , but for everyone to agree on this, we need to see the full conversation about that issue, yet we don't have that.
For now we have one side of the info, we are missing the other side. So we have a posting with 3 updates but we miss the repys, and how do we know that there wasn't truth to it??
we just don't know
sincerly @forest , this is BS and you know it. Com on.........
Before you jump on me, just bare in mind, we don't have all the facts yet we are pointing fingers on what some presume is true based on interpretation. - this my view for the moment.
That is probably the best thing I read till today on this subject.
I think this might be the beginning of the end for @jar or MXroute.
Mail businesses out of all things run the most for trust, it seems that he has really hit the nail on the coffin this time by from what we can gather using privileged information from his business.
@WyvernCo, hey man stay safe out there, the world is bit messed up. Also contact a lawyer friend just in case if there is a legal case to be made on if @jar took the information illegally or how did he find it, he really wanted to fire you that moment, good for the company to not fire you but he could've done some serious real life damage. I would suggest contacting a lawyer if possible, IANAL, but I feel like a case might be present.
No, I wasn't a dick. Jar was the one engaging in name calling and insults and attack sales.
Doesn't matter how he doxed him. He doxed him.
What we have is:
And let me remind you that jar considers bad reviews to be harassment.
It doesn't matter if jar thought he was in the right. Unless some new information comes up that shows that WyvernCo threatened jar's kids or something, all I can go by is the information that was provided to me, which is that they got in an argument and jar's response was to dox him and try to get him fired.
That's BS. You were in that thread, you know exactly how it went down and probably actually read more of the deleted posts than I did, because I was asleep when the a lot of it got crazy and mostly read the fallout.
And again, as I said before: both parties are in the wrong here. For some reason you seem to think that doxxing and harrassment from one side is OK, just not from the other. I think it's equally bad from both of them.
Anyway, I'm out now. Holiday is over, got work to do.
You're right, I was in the thread. The worst I saw was WyvernCo digging up retaliatory reviews that jar made and saying that people should not use mxroute because the owner is unstable.
@ralf Woah, where did I doxx jar? You're just making stuff up at this point 🙄 Bringing receipts / prior trustpilot reviews is valid to bring properly documented criticism -- I didn't reveal any of Jar's PII
Plus, jar's name is already public. WyvernCo's employment is not.
After reading this thread, I won’t be renewing my services with this provider.
What does "sustained harassment" mean in Jar's trustpilot review?
Given that he's previously said (many times) that leaving negative reviews is harassment trying to "destroy his business", and given that WyvernCo states that all he did was leave a bad review, it seems the answer is right in front of us.
If we have a "he said, she said" situation but one side has done something very bad, it's pointless to speculate "but... what if they deserved it?" without evidence.
Could you quote where he was being a dick - as I don't see it? Bringing up unaddressed issues is not being a dick, pre-warning others is fine and has been done with other providers, why is this different?
Just to be clear, I posted in the LET threads, and I did make complaints regarding the attack sale, but I did not leave a trustpilot review of Jar since I am not a customer of MXRoute.
Ah, got it. So all the "harassment" is the stuff in the original arguments?
Yeah, I never doxxed him / swatted him. (I basically forgot about him after he took the sale down.)
That is.. wild
On one hand it is sad that a provider leaves this forum because of two mentally rich individuals. On the other hand if the forum admins do nothing about the provider claims - leaving is actually the vest decision.
You mean him bringing up the Trustpilot account, to criticize MXRoute's business practice of leaving bad reviews on customers they had a conflict with?
You know, the one where he publicly represented MXRoute as a business, using his legal name that has been posted on LET articles before in relation to MXRoute?
We can argue all day if the arguments on the LET drama threads went on too long or were too incessant, but to claim that posting the Trustpilot account was akin to the review given on a user's employer's Trustpilot page, is really pushing it, and you know it.
Heh, you've got some catching-up to do. Congrats on your first post though.