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  • @Solvora said:

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Solvora said: Alot of providers here also take alot shit from the people.

    Just because jar doesnt want to makes him a bad person?

    Are you even aware of all of the thing/context before speaking in, I recommend being aware of all of it before defending jar. It would be helpful to atleast know the context.

    If you read it, it seems that from the info available, the most plausible explaination is that Jar used his privilege to read into clients of MXRoute's emails to then dox WyvernCo

    it seems that you are a customer of MXRoute. Feel free to be a customer if you are okay with this behaviour since at the end of the day, its you guys (Customers of MXRoute) who are gonna suffer the most.

    The issue is nobody knows the context, so not sure what you are talking about. Only parties know the context but they will ofc never tell the truth. Welcome to reality.

    exactly they are feeding us what they want to push the agenda

    Correct. We see usual polarization - people love to take sides, black and white etc. Reality is both parties did not behave well.

  • WyvernCoWyvernCo Member

    @Solvora said: No i index forum threads to keep backlogs

    You don't need an account to index forum threads?

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @WyvernCo said:

    @Solvora said: No i index forum threads to keep backlogs

    You don't need an account to index forum threads?

    you do if you want to reply at times

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @Solvora said:

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Solvora said: Alot of providers here also take alot shit from the people.

    Just because jar doesnt want to makes him a bad person?

    Are you even aware of all of the thing/context before speaking in, I recommend being aware of all of it before defending jar. It would be helpful to atleast know the context.

    If you read it, it seems that from the info available, the most plausible explaination is that Jar used his privilege to read into clients of MXRoute's emails to then dox WyvernCo

    it seems that you are a customer of MXRoute. Feel free to be a customer if you are okay with this behaviour since at the end of the day, its you guys (Customers of MXRoute) who are gonna suffer the most.

    The issue is nobody knows the context, so not sure what you are talking about. Only parties know the context but they will ofc never tell the truth. Welcome to reality.

    exactly they are feeding us what they want to push the agenda

    Correct. We see usual polarization - people love to take sides, black and white etc. Reality is both parties did not behave well.

    personally i side with the service ive used for awhile now with 0 issues and 0 drama on my site, support is quick and never had a problem

    Thanked by 2JohnFilch123 host_c
  • whynotlearnwhynotlearn Member
    edited April 7

    @Solvora said: consumers that do nothing but consume

    Consumers LITERALLY Consume, its in the name. What else do you want them to do, do you want them to give you/jar foot massage xD?

    You are a funny guy and I hope that this comment was sarcasm.

    once again, its the people who are using MXRoute who suffer from such things.

    People who don't use are still criticizing it though just because of how Sheerly bad it looks. This sounds a bit to me like Stockholm syndrome from your side.

    The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • @Solvora said:

    @stable_genius said:

    @Solvora said:
    Thank god, hope he terms all the LET packages so us real users can get better inbox rates.

    You guys are the biggest abuse/complaint forum ive ever seen.

    If you dont like the owner miab is FREE and a vps with smtp unlocked is cheap.

    No one forced you to use another providers email for personal items, no one forced you to leave the review you couldve just not renewed and left the service.

    Also I mean if you were a service provider and after getting done arguing with someone your billing goes down, ips receive nonsense abuse reports, and constantly harassed and swatted. I'm sure you would do the same nonsense jar is.

    In this business you either practice some emotion regulation or you'll be in trouble.

    Yeah well when using another providers email service what do you expect, it would be like shit talking googles owner irl all day then when he gets the chance you expect him not to term your google services.

    He would never do that, he's too much in love with money to do that.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Solvora said: consumers that do nothing but consume

    Consumers LITERALLY Consume, its in the name. What else do you want them to do, do you want them to give you/jar foot massage xD?

    You are a funny guy and I hope that this comment was sarcasm. Otherwise there's a more serious problem.

    once again, its the people who are using MXRoute who suffer from such things.

    People who don't use are still criticizing it though just because of how Sheerly bad it looks. This sounds a bit to me like Stockholm syndrome from your side.

    The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Suffer from what 100% deliverability to all inboxes?
    I mean literally no different than gmail,proton,outlook,aol

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Thanked by 1host_c
  • @Solvora said: Suffer from what 100% deliverability to all inboxes?

    I mean literally no different than gmail,proton,outlook,aol

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Only untrustworthy to those who fall to propaganda and one sided arguements

  • iKeyZiKeyZ Veteran

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    Thanked by 2whynotlearn WyvernCo
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    Now i will say, if it comes out he acutally did open and read @WyvernCo emails then yeah I would consider swapping. But if its just a he said she said this and that over a termed package with no refund no interest in falling for the propaganda

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

  • @whynotlearn said:

    @Solvora said: Suffer from what 100% deliverability to all inboxes?

    I mean literally no different than gmail,proton,outlook,aol

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    How do you know other do not do it? Every provider is run by people...trustworthy can be stretched.

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited April 7

    @Solvora said:

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Only untrustworthy to those who fall to propaganda and one sided arguements

    Wrong! Only untrustworthy to those who want privacy.

    In all likelihood @jar succumbed to his bad instincts and violated the trust of his customers by peeking into their email messages.

    He should never have done that NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!

    This is a VERY SERIOUS MATHER

  • ralfralf Member

    @whynotlearn said:
    The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Just for clarification, what are you actually accusing jar of, and what evidence do you have to back up those claims?

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @stable_genius said:

    @Solvora said:

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Only untrustworthy to those who fall to propaganda and one sided arguements

    Wrong! Only untrustworthy to those who want privacy.

    In all likelihood @jar succumbed to his bad instincts and violated the trust of his customers by peeking into their email messages.

    He should never have done that NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!

    interesting, what do you have going on that is so private? sus.

  • @JohnFilch123 said: How do you know other do not do it? Every provider is run by people...trustworthy can be stretched.

    I agree, to be honest, we can't know for certain if other providers do the same or not but what we do know is that MXRoute/jar is doing this which is worth taking into consideration.

    Thanked by 1stable_genius
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @whynotlearn said: but what we do know is that MXRoute/jar is doing this which is worth taking into consideration.

    Still seen 0 proof of this

  • @ralf said: Just for clarification, what are you actually accusing jar of, and what evidence do you have to back up those claims?

    I am not accusing anyone of anything, but what we do know is that jar commented on wyvernco's company which he works which as he says has no relation with his online profile so it seems to some probable that some other factors were at play here.

    Another point but even if we discount the fact that jar might've sneak peeked into people's mail for an online internet drama (shaking my head), they then wrote an account with their own name effectively still doxxing wyvernco. He has still doxxed wyvernco which is also an bannable offense in Lowendtalk and an incredibly shitty thing to be done by jar, who sells email service which has to be trustworthy. All of this takes a significant chunk of trust away from many people.

    Atleast this is my interpretation of this thread.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • WyvernCoWyvernCo Member

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    Sorry, the reason we're suspicious is since your reg date is three days prior to Jar's "quit" date, the stats say you've visited twice, and jar keeps reviving this fight on other platforms so it would make sense if he did have an alt account.

    Thanked by 2whynotlearn iKeyZ
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    but what we do know is that jar commented on wyvernco's company which he works

    Alright came out and said he doesnt acutally work there. "well his words"

    He has still doxxed wyvernco

    "search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent"

    I mean i havent seen wyverncos name, addy, age, and real employment
    I feel if he really went into customers inboxes he wouldnt of gotten it wrong.

    Like i said before they are spreading there propaganda of a he said she said

  • @whynotlearn said:

    @JohnFilch123 said: How do you know other do not do it? Every provider is run by people...trustworthy can be stretched.

    I agree, to be honest, we can't know for certain if other providers do the same or not but what we do know is that MXRoute/jar is doing this which is worth taking into consideration.

    He can be sued for that.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • ralfralf Member

    @stable_genius said:

    @Solvora said:

    Please read my last line again to which you have responded: The service provided by jar can be good but Email have to be trustworthy, and you don't want your email provider to do these things that jar is doing.

    Only untrustworthy to those who fall to propaganda and one sided arguements

    Wrong! Only untrustworthy to those who want privacy.

    In all likelihood @jar succumbed to his bad instincts and violated the trust of his customers by peeking into their email messages.

    He should never have done that NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!

    Why do you think that is the most likely thing to have happened?

    Given how much of jar's identity is wrapped up in running as technically perfect an e-mail system as possible, I very much doubt it.

    If @WyvernCo was actually @jar's customer (which I'm not sure there's actually any evidence for), he'd probably have been able to make the association to his workplace by googling his name from the registration details. If he had access to e-mail from his company, then a TrustPilot review is a very indirect way of utilising that information.

    @whynotlearn said:

    @ralf said: Just for clarification, what are you actually accusing jar of, and what evidence do you have to back up those claims?

    I am not accusing anyone of anything, but what we do know is that jar commented on wyvernco's company which he works which as he says has no relation with his online profile so it seems to some probable that some other factors were at play here.

    Another point but even if we discount the fact that jar might've sneak peeked into people's mail for an online internet drama (shaking my head), they then wrote an account with their own name effectively still doxxing wyvernco. He has still doxxed wyvernco which is also an bannable offense in Lowendtalk and an incredibly shitty thing to be done by jar, who sells email service which has to be trustworthy. All of this takes a significant chunk of trust away from many people.

    Atleast this is my interpretation of this thread.

    As stated above, he could have made the connection without needing to look into his e-mail, and it's not even obvious that @WyvernCo is even his customer - the threads I linked to earlier, @WyvernCo is promoting Amazon SES and starts criticising mxroute as soon as Jar mentioned it.

    So, again, why do you think Jar is looking inside e-mails?

    Thanked by 2tentor McJono
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @WyvernCo said:

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    Sorry, the reason we're suspicious is since your reg date is three days prior to Jar's "quit" date, the stats say you've visited twice, and jar keeps reviving this fight on other platforms so it would make sense if he did have an alt account.

    Understandable on that front, but nah im just a user of mxroute ~1 year now and still have yet to find a better mailbox selfhosted and otherwise besides paying the jews at google $12/inbox

    Thanked by 1host_c
  • @whynotlearn said:

    @JohnFilch123 said: How do you know other do not do it? Every provider is run by people...trustworthy can be stretched.

    I agree, to be honest, we can't know for certain if other providers do the same or not but what we do know is that MXRoute/jar is doing this which is worth taking into consideration.

    Agreed. Taking into considerable has grown into a cest pit but well who cares.

  • iKeyZiKeyZ Veteran

    @Solvora said: Alright came out and said he doesnt acutally work there. "well his words"

    That makes it ok...? As far as jar was concerned, he thought he worked there.

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    You don't see how that would make it seem pretty shady?

    Thanked by 2whynotlearn WyvernCo
  • radexradex Member

    @Solvora said:

    @WyvernCo said:

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    Sorry, the reason we're suspicious is since your reg date is three days prior to Jar's "quit" date, the stats say you've visited twice, and jar keeps reviving this fight on other platforms so it would make sense if he did have an alt account.

    Understandable on that front, but nah im just a user of mxroute ~1 year now and still have yet to find a better mailbox selfhosted and otherwise besides paying the jews at google $12/inbox

    "jews", interesting. Every jew on earth is better and smarter than you.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @radex said:

    @Solvora said:

    @WyvernCo said:

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    Sorry, the reason we're suspicious is since your reg date is three days prior to Jar's "quit" date, the stats say you've visited twice, and jar keeps reviving this fight on other platforms so it would make sense if he did have an alt account.

    Understandable on that front, but nah im just a user of mxroute ~1 year now and still have yet to find a better mailbox selfhosted and otherwise besides paying the jews at google $12/inbox

    "jews", interesting. Every jew on earth is better and smarter than you.

    Lol classic goyim

  • SolvoraSolvora Member

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said: Alright came out and said he doesnt acutally work there. "well his words"

    That makes it ok...? As far as jar was concerned, he thought he worked there.

    This is acutally a valid point, But i mean back to the acutal item if he wouldve went into inboxes he wouldnt of gotten it wrong.

    @Solvora said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @Solvora said:
    Sounds like you guys where digging for a problem and jar finally gave it to you .

    Difficult to listen to a couple of month old account that's just decided to comment here for the first time - unsure you're aware of the full history.

    My bad unc i forgot you cant be a new member on a site anymore. my bad i wasnt born 10 years earlier to get on the internet and join when the forum opened

    You don't see how that would make it seem pretty shady?

    Yeah I already said understanable, but ther is no better alt.

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