Velox media under new management

x0x0x · January 9

@barbarza said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@jsg said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@magicvpn said:
I missed 1.1k comments, but how did we get from telling people gdpr and all that stuff doesn't apply to crying about gdpr...?

Because how data privacy laws work in other countries. US doesn't need to comply with GDPR unless we provide a product or service. But since he's in EU/UK he has to comply regardless.

It's the difference between having a legal team that understands the law and people that Google the law.

@VeloxMedia said:

@tfgp99 said:
@VeloxMedia you, Eric from US, do you need to be GDPR compliant in your own country? Or the law just applies just in your favor?

We only need to be compliant if we provide goods or services to the data subjects. Below is the law right from their site. We're not providing goods or services as we just haven't deleted the data yet.

The law is crystal clear on this

https://gdpr.eu/Recital-23-Applicable-to-processors-not-established-in-the-Union-if-data-subjects-within-the-Union-are-targeted/

And as I explained yesterday, this section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I would explain, but I've given you free advice. If you want more my day rate is $1500.

Please explain how the other site is GDPR complaint. That's the question.

Do you want to send me over a work order? $1500 per day. And given how sketchy you seem, that'll be $1500 before the work takes place.

But again, I'll remind you. This section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I'm good we have full attorneys that are specialists in GDPR who say otherwise. Do you have a law degree?

Good luck with that.

Assuming you actually have attorneys, then you have ones that seemingly are both unfamiliar with the GDPR and seemingly unable to parse statutes and understand their meaning.

Some free advice: try asking a different attorney who specialises in this stuff and see if they agree with your attorneys.

Again why are you singling me out when he posted everyone's data publicly on the Internet??? Are you not concerned?

I have other things to do with my time. I can only do so much pro-bono.

Since you offered your services, again I ask do you have a law degree?

I do not, but I have worked on compliance with data protection long enough to know unequivocally that your lawyers are wrong.

Like I said, take my free advice - you need to get some time with a lawyer who's actually familiar with the GDPR. If you rely on your lawyer's bad advice, it's going to cost you dearly.

You are very keen to keep posting recital 23 as your reason for non-compliance. I will tell you for free, categorically, that under recital 23, you would fall under the regulations.

But as to your question, no I do not have a law degree. If I did, my day rate would be significantly higher than $1500.

Gotcha, I'll stick with my team of attorneys with law degrees who specialize in GDPR.

But I'm sure @Saragoldfarb would love some info. Why won't you explain to us about this clear violation of all our data?

Its not your data mate. They're not your clients. They Lewis's clients. But you know....

So, how come that people who are not his clients have all sorts of demands?

VeloxMedia made a pretty serious accusation. I want them to follow up. Client or not it doesn't matter I'm allowed to ask. If VeloxMedia doesn't want to show proof that it was posted in this thread, with links and examples of PII from that dump, then that's on VeloxMedia and VeloxMedia is both a liar and a coward.

Why are you still greasing his dick?

@VeloxMedia is an idiot, simple as that.

BollocksMedia. BolloxMedia works too.

VeloxMedia · January 9

@pba09391 said:
has to be trolling. 107 pages of entertainment

Yupp lots of trolling on both sides. Lots of entertainment and laughs

tfgp99 · January 9

@VeloxMedia said: 30 days not immediately

Yes, still christmas!

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@225thinker said:

@VeloxMedia said:

You have 100x more of a case in suing LET because they facilitated the transaction by approving Lewis as a provider.

Now he's trying to divert focus to LET ownership/management itself. Sounds like he is now trying to invite a ban at this stage of the failing scam.

If LET does that, hopefully they will also ban all the associated logins that have been used in this scam/attempted additional scam as well. (A little log review will clearly reveal their interconnection -- common VPNs and maybe even some more telling slip-ups in the heat of the moment.)

The only character he won't truly focus his venom on is "Lewis" for some reason. You know, the guy who became exhausted from collecting all the money from those Tom Harper-pimped BF pre-paid annual deals before he even paid his January monthly server renewals.

A Gold Star for the first person to correctly figure out why that is.

A little while ago when it was "Andrew" that posted on the VeloxMedia account. I asked @DP an extremely simple question. Was the geo location different vs the one supposedly behind the "Eric" personality. Didn't get an answer.

I think this has been an exercise in data mining, coercion (remember the 1000 bucks to fix a ddos issue?), high effort trolling and outright attempting to rug pull once it's a little too late. Along with the emotional powered threats of culling everyone who came from LET (because the majority called it out and we're not happy with the unprofessional behavior).

I still think for the betterment of everyone. A ban should happen now, triggering the culling so everyone capable can do charge backs/disputes now rather than later. Anyone who paid in crypto is obviously shit out of luck. Of course this thread would explode with activity and then people can start raising complaints with the relevant bodies as the evidence is all in this wonderful 100 plus large thread.

People should chargeback. We're terminating LET orders

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

alfatarsos · January 9

@jsg said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@alfatarsos said:

@jsg said:

@alfatarsos said:
Answering a previous question Velox has left unanswered, because I know the answer for that: he's being able to mark customers as fraud at bank/gateway level despite the account being Lewis's because Stripe and PayPal can create sub-users and have specific account management permissions, including access to refunds. He has a sub-user just for that, allowed by Lewis.

Which does mean that yes, he also has access to several user data at the payment gateway level as well. Not only on WHMCS. And can very easily justify a transaction as fraudulent if e.g. data at the gateway doesn't check out with the data voluntarily provided by the customer.

Interesting point! But do you really know and have evidence that he does have that kind of access?

P.S. I'm not fully up to date and didn't even glance over the last few pages.

The way it was described, he's not doing that like I thought (by a separate user direct on Stripe's dashboard), but through an API request which then provides user data, since he took over the API key.

He overengineered this, in my opinion, for the same result.

You can search for "Stripe secondary user Access" and see WHMCS's FAQs for the Stripe module - there's always an API request with a key. It's valid for every billing platform, including Blesta, WiseCP, etc.

Yupp. We did it separately because we aren't using whmcs for this. WHMCS isn't compliant for our systems we're SOC2

Yes his assumption that the WHMCS API is used looked like a shady premise to me as well.
Anyway, way too many shady or even nonsensical premises in this thread anyway.

It's technically possible, not shady. It's not a premise, can most certainly be done.

The difference is that they're not with WHMCS (allegedly), though the system still seems very similar in design at the Client Area to... WHMCS.

I honestly don't see you worried with the sentence "we will end all LET plans". That will include you as well... you're a LET user. What is your position on that?

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

Logos redesigned Changed the logo of kyytechnologies a little
sites getting rebuilt Copied the original ToS where Lewis is still mentioned in

Fixed it for you

All about brand integration between our companies.
Yupp we need to make sure not to interfere with Lewis's agreements you have with him. He's still your DPO

You have our data. You are the the relevant DPO.

You don't have time to discuss remember. If you do have time you should look into the massive violation by @Saragoldfarb

Please, share the links with me.

barbarza · January 9

@Saragoldfarb said:

@jsg said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@magicvpn said:
I missed 1.1k comments, but how did we get from telling people gdpr and all that stuff doesn't apply to crying about gdpr...?

Because how data privacy laws work in other countries. US doesn't need to comply with GDPR unless we provide a product or service. But since he's in EU/UK he has to comply regardless.

It's the difference between having a legal team that understands the law and people that Google the law.

@VeloxMedia said:

@tfgp99 said:
@VeloxMedia you, Eric from US, do you need to be GDPR compliant in your own country? Or the law just applies just in your favor?

We only need to be compliant if we provide goods or services to the data subjects. Below is the law right from their site. We're not providing goods or services as we just haven't deleted the data yet.

The law is crystal clear on this

https://gdpr.eu/Recital-23-Applicable-to-processors-not-established-in-the-Union-if-data-subjects-within-the-Union-are-targeted/

And as I explained yesterday, this section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I would explain, but I've given you free advice. If you want more my day rate is $1500.

Please explain how the other site is GDPR complaint. That's the question.

Do you want to send me over a work order? $1500 per day. And given how sketchy you seem, that'll be $1500 before the work takes place.

But again, I'll remind you. This section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I'm good we have full attorneys that are specialists in GDPR who say otherwise. Do you have a law degree?

Good luck with that.

Assuming you actually have attorneys, then you have ones that seemingly are both unfamiliar with the GDPR and seemingly unable to parse statutes and understand their meaning.

Some free advice: try asking a different attorney who specialises in this stuff and see if they agree with your attorneys.

Again why are you singling me out when he posted everyone's data publicly on the Internet??? Are you not concerned?

I have other things to do with my time. I can only do so much pro-bono.

Since you offered your services, again I ask do you have a law degree?

I do not, but I have worked on compliance with data protection long enough to know unequivocally that your lawyers are wrong.

Like I said, take my free advice - you need to get some time with a lawyer who's actually familiar with the GDPR. If you rely on your lawyer's bad advice, it's going to cost you dearly.

You are very keen to keep posting recital 23 as your reason for non-compliance. I will tell you for free, categorically, that under recital 23, you would fall under the regulations.

But as to your question, no I do not have a law degree. If I did, my day rate would be significantly higher than $1500.

Gotcha, I'll stick with my team of attorneys with law degrees who specialize in GDPR.

But I'm sure @Saragoldfarb would love some info. Why won't you explain to us about this clear violation of all our data?

Its not your data mate. They're not your clients. They Lewis's clients. But you know....

So, how come that people who are not his clients have all sorts of demands?

You at least actually are or have been one of their clients. Unfortunately though you feel betrayed - be it rightfully or made up, Idk. Do you still think that talking aggressively and/or threatening will work? From what I see it does not.

In case you actually and really sue, please inform us and provide the relevant documents (PII blacked out, of course)!

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@tfgp99 said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@NotFoundException said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

Yes, they just took my money.

Yes. Thank you.

Also please ensure you're GDPR compliant as you took our PII data along with all our members when you scraped our discord and placed this on your "company" server without our permission. We will be filing a formal complaint

Oh, by the way, it's on a server with Lewis if that makes the complaint easier.

It doesn't. Again please state how you are GDPR compliant and obtained my PII along with our customers who are on here's data and are protecting their rights. Because you just posted it all publicly online for everyone to see which is a massive GDPR violation.

Again, days and days of people attacking me here and yet not a single person calling you out on this. Such a double standard.

Why is everyone else quiet on this? Is this not a violation or is it? @rpqu

Why are you still posting, after saying, that you will quit LET and delete everything multiple times. Why can’t you commit to anything? Were you drunk too much last night at the party you posted about on DC and now trying to correct it?

First off I don't drink.

Second we are still deleting LET accounts, haven't changed that. We'll likely give them the option to purchase service for a few $ a month if they want to continue based on feedback from customers. This way it isn't an exit scam and they can become customers. Meanwhile we're just deleting any customers who complain or cause issues as we find them. We're not in any rush.

You kind of are. You have 13 days before I report you to ICO for obtaining PII data illegally and then deliberately violating the GDPR regulations, despite confirming to ICO that you would process data responsibly.

You should. Are you going to do the same with @Saragoldfarb or am I just singled out?

Just @VeloxMedia at this time, correct.

I don't use discord so I have no way of gathering enough data to verify your claims, so perhaps you should complain about her if you think you'd be better placed to make the case. If you'd like me to support you, again my day rate is a very reasonable $1500.

Why aren't you concerned about @Saragoldfarb posting GDPR data publicly with multiple links in this thread full of people's PII on here?

Isn't this a massive breach?

Where's my credit and why did you charge my card?

Card is still saved? oh damn

Yes, so make sure to wipe your payment details.

Also watch out for automated PP subscriptions.

You entered your credit card info into the system yesterday. Remember? You even posted about it

Yes, so what? Your site states I won't be charged. Used as a verification measure all the time. No biggy.

Till you made an unauthorized charge.

So just to be clear.
You entered the credit card info into our system.
And you agreed to purchase service for $5 a month.
You clicked submit order for the service.
You used the service and posted how great and fast it was.

Are all these correct?

No.

Please kindly elaborate.

Look, he stole my money. Threatening me. Should I stay calm. You don't believe the proof I posted? He literally admitted taking my money.

ITS all been very well documented here but I will happily open a new thread on some forums with the exact timeline, unredacted content and the money trail.

ITS an easy win if I'd sue but I wont. You all so worried about suing but it's much simpler. I build the case, report it... Things will be set in motion. Doesn't
cost a penny.

Do popcorn and tequila make a good combination?

VeloxMedia · January 9

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

Logos redesigned Changed the logo of kyytechnologies a little

All about brand integration between our companies.

Then you can hardly speak of a "logo redesign". But it's good to know that those companies are connected.

sites getting rebuilt Copied the original ToS where Lewis is still mentioned in

Yupp we need to make sure not to interfere with Lewis's agreements you have with him. He's still your DPO

When "you" first entered this forum: "Lewis is gone". Then it was still "he's cooperating in getting things transitioned". Later: "We haven't got access to Lewis' credentials for the payment processors" and "He's gone and out of the picture". Now basically you say: we still give Lewis an e-mail address.

I don't buy that crap.

Lewis has no access to anything veloxmedia.co.uk but we cannot make any changes to his agreements with his customers.

tfgp99 · January 9

@barbarza said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@jsg said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@magicvpn said:
I missed 1.1k comments, but how did we get from telling people gdpr and all that stuff doesn't apply to crying about gdpr...?

Because how data privacy laws work in other countries. US doesn't need to comply with GDPR unless we provide a product or service. But since he's in EU/UK he has to comply regardless.

It's the difference between having a legal team that understands the law and people that Google the law.

@VeloxMedia said:

@tfgp99 said:
@VeloxMedia you, Eric from US, do you need to be GDPR compliant in your own country? Or the law just applies just in your favor?

We only need to be compliant if we provide goods or services to the data subjects. Below is the law right from their site. We're not providing goods or services as we just haven't deleted the data yet.

The law is crystal clear on this

https://gdpr.eu/Recital-23-Applicable-to-processors-not-established-in-the-Union-if-data-subjects-within-the-Union-are-targeted/

And as I explained yesterday, this section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I would explain, but I've given you free advice. If you want more my day rate is $1500.

Please explain how the other site is GDPR complaint. That's the question.

Do you want to send me over a work order? $1500 per day. And given how sketchy you seem, that'll be $1500 before the work takes place.

But again, I'll remind you. This section means the exact opposite to what you clearly believe it means.

I'm good we have full attorneys that are specialists in GDPR who say otherwise. Do you have a law degree?

Good luck with that.

Assuming you actually have attorneys, then you have ones that seemingly are both unfamiliar with the GDPR and seemingly unable to parse statutes and understand their meaning.

Some free advice: try asking a different attorney who specialises in this stuff and see if they agree with your attorneys.

Again why are you singling me out when he posted everyone's data publicly on the Internet??? Are you not concerned?

I have other things to do with my time. I can only do so much pro-bono.

Since you offered your services, again I ask do you have a law degree?

I do not, but I have worked on compliance with data protection long enough to know unequivocally that your lawyers are wrong.

Like I said, take my free advice - you need to get some time with a lawyer who's actually familiar with the GDPR. If you rely on your lawyer's bad advice, it's going to cost you dearly.

You are very keen to keep posting recital 23 as your reason for non-compliance. I will tell you for free, categorically, that under recital 23, you would fall under the regulations.

But as to your question, no I do not have a law degree. If I did, my day rate would be significantly higher than $1500.

Gotcha, I'll stick with my team of attorneys with law degrees who specialize in GDPR.

But I'm sure @Saragoldfarb would love some info. Why won't you explain to us about this clear violation of all our data?

Its not your data mate. They're not your clients. They Lewis's clients. But you know....

So, how come that people who are not his clients have all sorts of demands?

You at least actually are or have been one of their clients. Unfortunately though you feel betrayed - be it rightfully or made up, Idk. Do you still think that talking aggressively and/or threatening will work? From what I see it does not.

In case you actually and really sue, please inform us and provide the relevant documents (PII blacked out, of course)!

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@tfgp99 said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@NotFoundException said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Saragoldfarb said:

Yes, they just took my money.

Yes. Thank you.

Also please ensure you're GDPR compliant as you took our PII data along with all our members when you scraped our discord and placed this on your "company" server without our permission. We will be filing a formal complaint

Oh, by the way, it's on a server with Lewis if that makes the complaint easier.

It doesn't. Again please state how you are GDPR compliant and obtained my PII along with our customers who are on here's data and are protecting their rights. Because you just posted it all publicly online for everyone to see which is a massive GDPR violation.

Again, days and days of people attacking me here and yet not a single person calling you out on this. Such a double standard.

Why is everyone else quiet on this? Is this not a violation or is it? @rpqu

Why are you still posting, after saying, that you will quit LET and delete everything multiple times. Why can’t you commit to anything? Were you drunk too much last night at the party you posted about on DC and now trying to correct it?

First off I don't drink.

Second we are still deleting LET accounts, haven't changed that. We'll likely give them the option to purchase service for a few $ a month if they want to continue based on feedback from customers. This way it isn't an exit scam and they can become customers. Meanwhile we're just deleting any customers who complain or cause issues as we find them. We're not in any rush.

You kind of are. You have 13 days before I report you to ICO for obtaining PII data illegally and then deliberately violating the GDPR regulations, despite confirming to ICO that you would process data responsibly.

You should. Are you going to do the same with @Saragoldfarb or am I just singled out?

Just @VeloxMedia at this time, correct.

I don't use discord so I have no way of gathering enough data to verify your claims, so perhaps you should complain about her if you think you'd be better placed to make the case. If you'd like me to support you, again my day rate is a very reasonable $1500.

Why aren't you concerned about @Saragoldfarb posting GDPR data publicly with multiple links in this thread full of people's PII on here?

Isn't this a massive breach?

Where's my credit and why did you charge my card?

Card is still saved? oh damn

Yes, so make sure to wipe your payment details.

Also watch out for automated PP subscriptions.

You entered your credit card info into the system yesterday. Remember? You even posted about it

Yes, so what? Your site states I won't be charged. Used as a verification measure all the time. No biggy.

Till you made an unauthorized charge.

So just to be clear.
You entered the credit card info into our system.
And you agreed to purchase service for $5 a month.
You clicked submit order for the service.
You used the service and posted how great and fast it was.

Are all these correct?

No.

Please kindly elaborate.

Look, he stole my money. Threatening me. Should I stay calm. You don't believe the proof I posted? He literally admitted taking my money.

ITS all been very well documented here but I will happily open a new thread on some forums with the exact timeline, unredacted content and the money trail.

ITS an easy win if I'd sue but I wont. You all so worried about suing but it's much simpler. I build the case, report it... Things will be set in motion. Doesn't
cost a penny.

Do popcorn and tequila make a good combination?

Absolutely!

barbarza · January 9

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@tfgp99 said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@tfgp99 said:

@VeloxMedia said: we're compliant

You? Compliant? Where? Evidences here.

Check the ICO website. We even posted the link on here to make it easier.

You are so compliant that the name of Lewis is still there! Don't even try lying to us.

Is that public or

Yes it is.

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:
Gotcha, I'll stick with my team of attorneys with law degrees who specialize in GDPR.

OK, good luck with that.

Yupp. So on to @Saragoldfarb why won't you look into that?

I have real work to do during the day, and my spare time is already spoken for with another time sensitive task.

Guess you don't actually care about GDPR and people's rights. Just the double standard.

I do very much care about GDPR. However, I only have so much time, and it's already set aside for gathering all the evidence against you into a suitable format to be handed over to ICO at the appropriate time.

I haven't seen the thing you claim Sara has done, so I have no opinion on whether it is infringing or not. However, from what you said earlier, and knowing that you are a US citizen, it's unlikely the GDPR will be relevant.

The hypocrisy

Yes, you are rather good at it, aren't you?

We need to prove that Eric doesn't actually exist and is actually 'Lewis' in the UK...

VeloxMedia · January 9

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@225thinker said:

@VeloxMedia said:

You have 100x more of a case in suing LET because they facilitated the transaction by approving Lewis as a provider.

Now he's trying to divert focus to LET ownership/management itself. Sounds like he is now trying to invite a ban at this stage of the failing scam.

If LET does that, hopefully they will also ban all the associated logins that have been used in this scam/attempted additional scam as well. (A little log review will clearly reveal their interconnection -- common VPNs and maybe even some more telling slip-ups in the heat of the moment.)

The only character he won't truly focus his venom on is "Lewis" for some reason. You know, the guy who became exhausted from collecting all the money from those Tom Harper-pimped BF pre-paid annual deals before he even paid his January monthly server renewals.

A Gold Star for the first person to correctly figure out why that is.

A little while ago when it was "Andrew" that posted on the VeloxMedia account. I asked @DP an extremely simple question. Was the geo location different vs the one supposedly behind the "Eric" personality. Didn't get an answer.

I think this has been an exercise in data mining, coercion (remember the 1000 bucks to fix a ddos issue?), high effort trolling and outright attempting to rug pull once it's a little too late. Along with the emotional powered threats of culling everyone who came from LET (because the majority called it out and we're not happy with the unprofessional behavior).

I still think for the betterment of everyone. A ban should happen now, triggering the culling so everyone capable can do charge backs/disputes now rather than later. Anyone who paid in crypto is obviously shit out of luck. Of course this thread would explode with activity and then people can start raising complaints with the relevant bodies as the evidence is all in this wonderful 100 plus large thread.

People should chargeback. We're terminating LET orders

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

You're too busy to be involved remember

Calypso · January 9

@jsg said:
First wait until the 30 days period is over, then make allegations.

First read into GDPR before saying something and try to understand the purpose of the 30 day period.

Btw, I don't think that Eric is all that interested in those data anyway. I guess he already has some mechanism created (or already in place) to delete those data from their systems.

Ofcourse, because you consider Him as your Leader.

Also btw, there also might be other laws and regulations for us-american companies requiring @VeloxMedia to keep the data or parts thereof for a longer time.

Why bother with US-American rules when VeloxMedia is a UK based company? It says so in @VeloxMedia's signature!

Whatever, the 30 days haven't passed yet.

Whatever, you still haven't read the GDPR. At least you don't understand it.

Calypso · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

Lewis has no access to anything veloxmedia.co.uk but we cannot make any changes to his agreements with his customers.

O, so basically if a new person comes on your website, buys something, you agree (and there are people doing that because you claim you have 100 customers already), they've agreed to a ToS pointing to a let's call it "non-existent" DPO? Deliberately.

Wow. I guess this is the brainchild of your "legal team"?

tfgp99 · January 9

Another thing guys:

@VeloxMedia created a new discord account, from someone who said never used discord in the beginning, now have nitro and the server it is already level 1 boosted,
and clearly the locked options edited. Overnight you learn that? At least it seems you know how to use it. Also from who said that it will fix the broken bot.
Who are you trying to fool, anyway?

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:
Under the GDPR, any PII data concerning EU/UK citizens can only be held for justifiable business reasons established in the law and with the consent of the data subject. Any PII data needs to be deleted as soon as possible, and at a maximum of 30 days after that business use has ended.

Eric has stated multiple times that anyone who bought a server from Veloxmedia before he took over is not his customer. If this is true, he has no justifiable business reason to hold that data and it must be deleted immediately.

Eric's insistence that we are not his customers is exactly the reason he must delete our data.

30 days not immediately. You even stated it here. Please cite where it says immediately.

The text states:

"The personal data should be adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary for the purposes for which they are processed. This requires, in particular, ensuring that the period for which the personal data are stored is limited to a strict minimum."

Also please show me a single case where someone has data stored and wants it deleted and we haven't. We keep requesting for this info.

The onus is not on us to request you to delete it.

You have obtained the PII without a legal business reason to have it, and you have not obtained our consent to use or store it. You are required by law to delete it.

Pop a ticket with your account info and we'll delete it asap. We need to know which are EU/UK customers and GDPR required

You have to request consent, it is illegal to assume consent without notifying the data subject.

Sorry, but you have no legal option other than e-mail all customers acquired from Lewis informing them of the situation.

You could try e-mailing only the ones you know to be EU/UK citizens, but if you make a mistake and miss any, then you will still be violating the law. It's safest to e-mail everybody.

How's that e-mail going by the way, you said it'd only take you 10 minutes. Wasn't that over 24 hours ago now?

AlteredParadox · January 9

I wonder if he kicked AndrewFromLegal out of the discord. Maybe that's why he cant talk to him anymore.

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

Logos redesigned Changed the logo of kyytechnologies a little

All about brand integration between our companies.

Then you can hardly speak of a "logo redesign". But it's good to know that those companies are connected.

sites getting rebuilt Copied the original ToS where Lewis is still mentioned in

Yupp we need to make sure not to interfere with Lewis's agreements you have with him. He's still your DPO

When "you" first entered this forum: "Lewis is gone". Then it was still "he's cooperating in getting things transitioned". Later: "We haven't got access to Lewis' credentials for the payment processors" and "He's gone and out of the picture". Now basically you say: we still give Lewis an e-mail address.

I don't buy that crap.

Lewis has no access to anything veloxmedia.co.uk but we cannot make any changes to his agreements with his customers.

This is your company and your website. It's your privacy policy, and you who has the PII. That is your problem to deal with.

Lewis might also be in violation of the law for disclosing the PII to you, given that you insist you have no obligation to honour the contracts. That's a Lewis, problem, but I suggest you look at your own problem first.

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@225thinker said:

@VeloxMedia said:

You have 100x more of a case in suing LET because they facilitated the transaction by approving Lewis as a provider.

Now he's trying to divert focus to LET ownership/management itself. Sounds like he is now trying to invite a ban at this stage of the failing scam.

If LET does that, hopefully they will also ban all the associated logins that have been used in this scam/attempted additional scam as well. (A little log review will clearly reveal their interconnection -- common VPNs and maybe even some more telling slip-ups in the heat of the moment.)

The only character he won't truly focus his venom on is "Lewis" for some reason. You know, the guy who became exhausted from collecting all the money from those Tom Harper-pimped BF pre-paid annual deals before he even paid his January monthly server renewals.

A Gold Star for the first person to correctly figure out why that is.

A little while ago when it was "Andrew" that posted on the VeloxMedia account. I asked @DP an extremely simple question. Was the geo location different vs the one supposedly behind the "Eric" personality. Didn't get an answer.

I think this has been an exercise in data mining, coercion (remember the 1000 bucks to fix a ddos issue?), high effort trolling and outright attempting to rug pull once it's a little too late. Along with the emotional powered threats of culling everyone who came from LET (because the majority called it out and we're not happy with the unprofessional behavior).

I still think for the betterment of everyone. A ban should happen now, triggering the culling so everyone capable can do charge backs/disputes now rather than later. Anyone who paid in crypto is obviously shit out of luck. Of course this thread would explode with activity and then people can start raising complaints with the relevant bodies as the evidence is all in this wonderful 100 plus large thread.

People should chargeback. We're terminating LET orders

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

You're too busy to be involved remember

That's why I'd appreciate you not wasting more of my time and answering the simple question:

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

tfgp99 · January 9

If i was Lewis, i've should have changed this banner already, like TomHarper did. Lewis never went back online since then.
@VeloxMedia Who are you trying to fool, anyway?

jsg · January 9

@alfatarsos said:
I honestly don't see you worried with the sentence "we will end all LET plans". That will include you as well... you're a LET user. What is your position on that?

Should be known by now. But as a courtesy:

I presume - maybe wrongly - that Eric has a properly working "friend foe" discrimination, or in this case "reasonable and potential customer (according to @VeloxMedia's definition) vs not attractive (or even adverserial)" discrimination and does not kill my VPS
In the worst case (my VPS also getting deleted) I'll be a bit unhappy but based on assuming that filtering out single users of a cheap-ish VPS mind you, is impractical for them I would accept their decision quietly and peacefully. And I also won't sue Lewis, but rather book it under "oh well, sometimes shit happens". Because neither Lewis nor Eric treated me badly in any way, at least not intentionally.

I do not see this issue, and I mean the core not all the yadda yadda, as some kind of fight, I rather see it as Lewis plans failing and/or him being tired and Eric approaching with lots of good will but being seriously turned off by the whole - basically largely baseless! - shit-storm here and pulling the brake sooner and way harder than planned. Not a decision I like but a decision I certainly can understand.

Worst possible outcome for me would be having way, way overpaid for what was purchased for long term but ended up being quite short-term.

VeloxMedia · January 9

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@225thinker said:

@VeloxMedia said:

You have 100x more of a case in suing LET because they facilitated the transaction by approving Lewis as a provider.

Now he's trying to divert focus to LET ownership/management itself. Sounds like he is now trying to invite a ban at this stage of the failing scam.

If LET does that, hopefully they will also ban all the associated logins that have been used in this scam/attempted additional scam as well. (A little log review will clearly reveal their interconnection -- common VPNs and maybe even some more telling slip-ups in the heat of the moment.)

The only character he won't truly focus his venom on is "Lewis" for some reason. You know, the guy who became exhausted from collecting all the money from those Tom Harper-pimped BF pre-paid annual deals before he even paid his January monthly server renewals.

A Gold Star for the first person to correctly figure out why that is.

A little while ago when it was "Andrew" that posted on the VeloxMedia account. I asked @DP an extremely simple question. Was the geo location different vs the one supposedly behind the "Eric" personality. Didn't get an answer.

I think this has been an exercise in data mining, coercion (remember the 1000 bucks to fix a ddos issue?), high effort trolling and outright attempting to rug pull once it's a little too late. Along with the emotional powered threats of culling everyone who came from LET (because the majority called it out and we're not happy with the unprofessional behavior).

I still think for the betterment of everyone. A ban should happen now, triggering the culling so everyone capable can do charge backs/disputes now rather than later. Anyone who paid in crypto is obviously shit out of luck. Of course this thread would explode with activity and then people can start raising complaints with the relevant bodies as the evidence is all in this wonderful 100 plus large thread.

People should chargeback. We're terminating LET orders

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

You're too busy to be involved remember

That's why I'd appreciate you not wasting more of my time and answering the simple question:

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

If their service is active and they chargeback without popping a ticket telling us then yes it's marked as fraud. If they tell us then no. If we terminate the account then no.

Idk why this is so complicated I've already explained this. The system checks for active service and if there's a chargeback it'll terminate the service then file a fraud. If we terminate the service then it's not active...

You keep asking the same questions then get upset I don't keep answering them. Then complain you don't have time. You're not very good at time management. No wonder why you charge so little and still don't have time to deal with actual problems

tfgp99 · January 9

@tfgp99 said: from someone who said never used discord in the beginning

@VeloxMedia Who are you trying to fool, anyway?

VeloxMedia · January 9

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@Calypso said:

@VeloxMedia said:

Lewis has no access to anything veloxmedia.co.uk but we cannot make any changes to his agreements with his customers.

O, so basically if a new person comes on your website, buys something, you agree (and there are people doing that because you claim you have 100 customers already), they've agreed to a ToS pointing to a let's call it "non-existent" DPO? Deliberately.

Wow. I guess this is the brainchild of your "legal team"?

They get another ToS when they buy the service not the public one listed. We monitor that email to ensure if it's our customer or not

ralf · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@MaxTakeba said:

@225thinker said:

@VeloxMedia said:

You have 100x more of a case in suing LET because they facilitated the transaction by approving Lewis as a provider.

Now he's trying to divert focus to LET ownership/management itself. Sounds like he is now trying to invite a ban at this stage of the failing scam.

If LET does that, hopefully they will also ban all the associated logins that have been used in this scam/attempted additional scam as well. (A little log review will clearly reveal their interconnection -- common VPNs and maybe even some more telling slip-ups in the heat of the moment.)

The only character he won't truly focus his venom on is "Lewis" for some reason. You know, the guy who became exhausted from collecting all the money from those Tom Harper-pimped BF pre-paid annual deals before he even paid his January monthly server renewals.

A Gold Star for the first person to correctly figure out why that is.

A little while ago when it was "Andrew" that posted on the VeloxMedia account. I asked @DP an extremely simple question. Was the geo location different vs the one supposedly behind the "Eric" personality. Didn't get an answer.

I think this has been an exercise in data mining, coercion (remember the 1000 bucks to fix a ddos issue?), high effort trolling and outright attempting to rug pull once it's a little too late. Along with the emotional powered threats of culling everyone who came from LET (because the majority called it out and we're not happy with the unprofessional behavior).

I still think for the betterment of everyone. A ban should happen now, triggering the culling so everyone capable can do charge backs/disputes now rather than later. Anyone who paid in crypto is obviously shit out of luck. Of course this thread would explode with activity and then people can start raising complaints with the relevant bodies as the evidence is all in this wonderful 100 plus large thread.

People should chargeback. We're terminating LET orders

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

You're too busy to be involved remember

That's why I'd appreciate you not wasting more of my time and answering the simple question:

Just for clarification, are you still automatically marking every chargeback as fraud?

Because if you're doing that after specifically informing users that you are cancelling their service and requesting users to chargeback, then you will be acting fraudulently yourself.

I imagine Stripe will have an opinion on that which might affect your credibility with them.

If their service is active and they chargeback without popping a ticket telling us then yes it's marked as fraud. If they tell us then no. If we terminate the account then no.

Idk why this is so complicated I've already explained this. The system checks for active service and if there's a chargeback it'll terminate the service then file a fraud. If we terminate the service then it's not active...

You keep asking the same questions then get upset I don't keep answering them. Then complain you don't have time. You're not very good at time management. No wonder why you charge so little and still don't have time to deal with actual problems

No, that's all good. Thanks for confirming that is still your policy.

And can you confirm again whether you believe these people are or are not your customers?

Also, final question that I haven't asked before... If you terminate the service of someone who bought one of these deals and hasn't read this thread, and then they chargeback because the service was terminated, do you believe that to be fraud as well?

AlteredParadox · January 9

... road to 150 pages!? We gonna catch up with the Christmas megathread!?!

tfgp99 · January 9

@VeloxMedia said: marked as fraud

Marking from fraud when y'all have valid evidences the fraud you're doing. It seems to me, to mark as fraud, you have access to the old payment gateways you had, Lewis.

AlteredParadox · January 9

but i thought his LET account was in the hands of andrew from legal!?!

VeloxMedia · January 9

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:
Under the GDPR, any PII data concerning EU/UK citizens can only be held for justifiable business reasons established in the law and with the consent of the data subject. Any PII data needs to be deleted as soon as possible, and at a maximum of 30 days after that business use has ended.

Eric has stated multiple times that anyone who bought a server from Veloxmedia before he took over is not his customer. If this is true, he has no justifiable business reason to hold that data and it must be deleted immediately.

Eric's insistence that we are not his customers is exactly the reason he must delete our data.

30 days not immediately. You even stated it here. Please cite where it says immediately.

The text states:

"The personal data should be adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary for the purposes for which they are processed. This requires, in particular, ensuring that the period for which the personal data are stored is limited to a strict minimum."

Also please show me a single case where someone has data stored and wants it deleted and we haven't. We keep requesting for this info.

The onus is not on us to request you to delete it.

You have obtained the PII without a legal business reason to have it, and you have not obtained our consent to use or store it. You are required by law to delete it.

Pop a ticket with your account info and we'll delete it asap. We need to know which are EU/UK customers and GDPR required

You have to request consent, it is illegal to assume consent without notifying the data subject.

Sorry, but you have no legal option other than e-mail all customers acquired from Lewis informing them of the situation.

You could try e-mailing only the ones you know to be EU/UK citizens, but if you make a mistake and miss any, then you will still be violating the law. It's safest to e-mail everybody.

How's that e-mail going by the way, you said it'd only take you 10 minutes. Wasn't that over 24 hours ago now?

So 30 days is perfectly fine. No where immediately see how you keep adding things that aren't true?

Again we've already started the process of deleting the data, lots more deleting to come so no worries there.

No need to make any announcements or anything even right?

x0x0x · January 9

@AlteredParadox said:
but i thought his LET account was in the hands of andrew from legal!?!

Andrew from legal department, Eric from illegal department. They work hand in hand.

forest · January 9

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:

@VeloxMedia said:

@ralf said:
Under the GDPR, any PII data concerning EU/UK citizens can only be held for justifiable business reasons established in the law and with the consent of the data subject. Any PII data needs to be deleted as soon as possible, and at a maximum of 30 days after that business use has ended.

Eric has stated multiple times that anyone who bought a server from Veloxmedia before he took over is not his customer. If this is true, he has no justifiable business reason to hold that data and it must be deleted immediately.

Eric's insistence that we are not his customers is exactly the reason he must delete our data.

30 days not immediately. You even stated it here. Please cite where it says immediately.

The text states:

"The personal data should be adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary for the purposes for which they are processed. This requires, in particular, ensuring that the period for which the personal data are stored is limited to a strict minimum."

Also please show me a single case where someone has data stored and wants it deleted and we haven't. We keep requesting for this info.

The onus is not on us to request you to delete it.

You have obtained the PII without a legal business reason to have it, and you have not obtained our consent to use or store it. You are required by law to delete it.

Pop a ticket with your account info and we'll delete it asap. We need to know which are EU/UK customers and GDPR required

You have to request consent, it is illegal to assume consent without notifying the data subject.

Sorry, but you have no legal option other than e-mail all customers acquired from Lewis informing them of the situation.

You could try e-mailing only the ones you know to be EU/UK citizens, but if you make a mistake and miss any, then you will still be violating the law. It's safest to e-mail everybody.

How's that e-mail going by the way, you said it'd only take you 10 minutes. Wasn't that over 24 hours ago now?

So 30 days is perfectly fine. No where immediately see how you keep adding things that aren't true?

Again we've already started the process of deleting the data, lots more deleting to come so no worries there.

No need to make any announcements or anything even right?

Come on man, please. Step back. Arguing here will only make things worse. I still want you to succeed, but you have to stop falling back into this or the drama will just get worse.

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