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Our experience with aurologic: fair warning if you're a customer
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Actually all I see @Verasel do in this thread is posting off-topic non sense. It's really annoying having all this brainrot inbetween the messages.
@AS203446 the IPTV rabbit hole is a funny one, did you ever hear of a random datacenter located in Eygelshoven (NL)?
It's interesting how @jh_aurologic claimed several times now to remove himself from the discussion but now we arrived at 'the posts are possibly illegal'. Welp, I guess his complex hit again and he had to be the bigger deal once more.
Unfortunately have to agree.
Weak moments? Those were not weak moments. He shared private info that has no relevance here and called me a 22 year old kid.
Verasel did not contribute much to this topic - except saying that I have to pay the three months, and that's his opinion. I'm completely fine with that. According to @Verasel I am too ignorant to accept advice. Believe me, I've accepted a lot of advice in my life - but I don't have to do that every time.
Verasel keeps posting memes and stupid song lyrics.
Seychelles company telling me that I have to pay tax - sorry, but this cannot get any funnier.
I'm a clown? That's not an insult?
According to you he never attacked me - he made conclusions without even reading the entire thread and kept posting his memes and song lyrics.
My last post wasn't an attack - it describes Verasel behaviour in this thread.
Yes, I know which DC you are talking about.
The reason I mentioned IPTV is because it's obvious what Verasel (Or their customers) are running. That combined with the company being located on the Seychelles and telling me that I have to pax tax was just too much.
yo wtf @Verasel can you spoiler your WOT?
we are here for drama between them 2.
Just spacebar, nobody else readin it either.
I am indeed a troll, and I never hid this, my avatar used to be that of Kekistan. I am not here to do business as much as I am to try and pass the time and talk to people (which many can verify, but in case my offtopic posts were a bit too much, I do apologize -- I just tried to add a bit of harmless trolling to see if I can get through him that way -- you know that South Park episode... "How do I reech deeez keeeedz?!" something along those lines).
Art is everything. How can lyrics be stupid? I am being 100% serious right now. Art heals your soul, and it can help get through the worst times in life. Lyrics can speak to your soul. I am actually... well, flabbergasted.
You could interpret it as an insult if you wished to, and if you interpreted it as such. You have my deepest apologies. The reason why I called you a clown is because this is a business forum. We pay to post here (or at least, I paid to post here?) and as such, I assuemd that there is at least some level of common sense that we should possess in order to be established members.
Believing that you do not have to pay a 90 day cancellation fees is quite honestly unheard of. It has nothing to do with anyone's age, I will admit this, but it is unheard of. Even one of my young female designer friends, who knows nothing of the law, and is simply working in your typical Adobe Illustrator type of work is perfectly aware that she CANNOT get out of a phone or an Internet contract WITHOUT paying the 90 day cancellation fee.
This is coming from someone without any type of business or Internet knowledge.
Look, brother. You claim you consulted three different lawyers, and that you have one on retainer. Which is it? It's Germany; it's not some tiny Eastern European country. Germany isn't cheap, everything costs money. This is the most expensive type of litigation, if you do not believe me, you can ask Joseph, or @layer7 but the latter was intelligent enough to leave this thread.
I may have led you on to believe that I was insulting you, but I was trying to reach you through being harsh, and usually, it does work. At least, with some people... With you, however, it did the opposite... It even made you believe that music doesn't heal your soul, and that it doesn't help you understand that there is more to life than money.
If you read the last Kolja's verse, you would understand that money != nothing.
Life is a lot more than about money. It's about being there for others, loving them, taking care of them, and most of all, learning.
So, please.. all I ask of you is, do not accuse me of being mean-spirited, because I am not. I am truly not. If I thought for a moment's notice that you had any way out of here other than paying the 90 day cancellation fee I would put that money up right now in escrow.
yore welcome, sir.
Nope, from what I see he only, albeit needlessly, shared publicly available info. Plus after you yourself posting a screenshot here with your real-life name basically voided your "sharing private info" yada yada.
As for the 22 years old kid he simply was right - as so amply demonstrated by you.
That's far away from how I perceive you.
Also: young people tend to value experience low, but experience actually is extremely valuable. My take of how @verasel acted here is that he generously shared his experience.
Yes, that's correct - and unfortunate.
(a) What's Seychelles got to do with it? (b) so what? A man with decades of experience in business can and should reasonably be assumed to know more than just local rules, plus certain mechanisms like contracts or taxes have differences in different countries, yes, but the basic mechanism is pretty much the same.
I take that more as a stupid joke and certainly not needed, but I guess his intention was to ease the tension somewhat.
But I understand that one can take it as an insult.
Somewhat dramatized but not completely wrong; obviously depending on one's position and perspective.
No, it describes how YOU perceived it. And btw, I did not say that he never attacked you - but his intention obviously was benevolent (although probably somewhat unnerved, understandably IMO).
But be that as it may, the reason I respond to you was largely pure politeness and fairness. In other words: I don't care anymore and am certainly not willing to preach to someone who seems to be deaf. May the route you chose not end in a crash (although IMO the chances slim).
Out of respect to probably most polite member, I suppose, I will refrain from posting memes, but I digress, the lyrics were on-point. Short of the Boxxy video, and the one aimed at @HostSlick (who is a comrade), the last video was meant to illustrate that if you solely focus on money in life, you will lose focus of what's important in life, and life will pass you by.
Yes, you may win sometimes. You may come out as a winner even when you should not, but that does not mean that you shouldn't heed the advice when it's genuine.
Not one person, at least in my opinion, tried to steer him the OP to trouble.
We all tried to help him witho our experience, and I will not even comment the relevancy of one's company's jurisdiction. It matters not unless you are law enforcement, and if you are law enforcement, then everything is out in the open... there are no secrets... so once again, what is the actual relevance here, other than with an LTD vs a Sole Proprietorship -- you will answer with what you own = your personal possessions.
Which is why I took his issue to heart. I do not want him to lose his livelihood to debt collectors, and even though I do not believe Joseph would do something like that, it will not be up to him if Alex takes it to court.
I hope this makes sense, and I hope this marks the last post of mine in this thread.
In any case, nothing I posted here was to harm people, and I am happy that @jsg was able to deduce that I was trying to make the situation a tiny bit more forum-like, and not so much flame-wars, and all-so-serious... Still, the old adage stands... road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Can we just close the thread mods, everything become personal attack, also the lawsuit is inprogress too.
This site is based in the US and not subject to German law. We have this thing here called freedom of speech.
Not to play the devil's advocate: but it uses CloudFlare (which has German infrastructure, German employees, etc), and it passes through German nodes, and as such, it can be argued that it can in fact be subject to German law. Unless, of course, CloudFlare is removed, and a notice is made that German users should not be using the site.
Otherwise, you, as any other service provider have to make sure you do your best to follow the law of every country where you provide the services to.
That's not to say that most people follow this, but it's also not to say that it's not true, either.
Germany is a "tough bitch" when it comes to law, and it's one of the most litigitious countries after the US.
I am all for freedom of speech, but it needs to be structured in such a way where paperwork like that can only be used as TP, and not much else. IMHO.
Perhaps, but I'd really like Germany to try and enforce any time of censorship laws on a US based website... we have enough of that from some people here as it is.
Now everything that's been posted here between the two parties is certainly fodder for any litigation, but that's on those parties.
Now everything that's been posted here between the two parties is certainly fodder for any litigation, but that's on those parties.
Funny you should say that, brother.
I had quite a few interactions with German law enforcement agencies, and some NGO's as well, and when I say that they GENUINELY believe that they own the world (I AM NOT SPEAKING OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE -- I am merely referring to the Law Enforcement Agencies; mainly the European ones, FYI! NOT RACIST!), I am most absolutely not exaggerating this... they, somehow -- are of the belief, that a 100% owned and operated American website (WITHOUT ANY CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER to: German banking, German providers, any type of German infrastructure -- PERIOD!) -- Not even shareholders... they are of some type of belief, or rather were, that we should, or rather, my client, at their own cost, block every German visitor from accessing the website.
Obviously, I told them that this is absolute horseshit.
The shareholders never traveled to Germany, the website does not cater to German visitors. If German visitors do find it, it's because of the German media (!), not because of the website operators.
Moreover, it came so as far as that the website owners thought to either shut the site down or hire a high-priced Jewish law firm, thinking that somehow, Germany could impose their rules on an American website that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY!
Now, try to explain that to their previous hosts couldn't care less whether or not their customer's rights were being infringed upon.
That's where I find the issue, and this is exactly why I said that there's a fine line between having absolutely no connection to a country that is trying to fuck you over (you're not traveling there, no financial interests, no real estate, no hardware, no transit, etc) and when you are completely safe, and whatever they try to do will end up being them blocking your domain.
What did that achieve? They claim that it should be blocked, and you can simply setup a mirror for "tourists", and what can they do? Block that one as well. Good for the website owner, domains are cheap.
But, censorship is absolute bullshit and is a waste of money, IMHO.
but where is your imprint / impressum on your website?> @emgh said:
schnitzel schnitzel sauerkraut!
what’s with the impress thing? you want @AS203446 to impress you? you want to be impressed by a man? isn’t that what gay people want?
here, however, both stores are based in germany. one of them also has no imprint!
and courts in zimbawe and those in absurdstian are perhaps very close after all.
cant have your boss knowing what you do when youre supposed to be working your day job, lmao
Hi,
thats the "imprint" something that is not too much common ( why ever ) in the USA or elsewhere.
Its a site that identifies the person / company who actually runs this site with the name, address and so on.
Its actually german law. You have to have it, otherwise you violate law and can be quiet easily punished by your competitors who can tell this to a lawyer, the lawyer will claim this issue and close to 100% sure you will have to pay the lawyer for the service that he will give you a friendly reminder to add the "impressum" alias imprint to your website.
Its not the typical "About us" page where the company might or might not tell some nonsense about themself. Its about real company information so people know with whom they actually do business with. Companies are obliged to have it.
@Verasel and @fly056
about this german law / freedom of speech stuff:
I did not read it all for 200%, but if i understood it right @jh_aurologic referred to the fact that if you talk shit about others in public and if this shit leads to money loss of this others, they can actually sue you for a reimbursement. This goes for germany, just like it goes for the US ( and i guess most other ("western") countries ). -- Of course given that you can actually prove that this shit ( alias lie ) was a lie and that the person who published it must/should have known it was a lie.
Its not about LET who will be sued. Its about this person. And if this person / company is of german citizen or even worst a company registered in germany, so of course german law will apply for this person automatically ( no matter where the shit was posted ).
Just like in the USA the constitution guarantees the freedom of speech, same its with germany and their "Grund Gesetz" ( "Basic Law" ) which is their constitution in fact ( there in Article 5 ) -- so one of the first 10 articles and this way of special importance and special "power" in the sense that they are very well protected by the courts...
I was so excited about the potential drama here but I have to admit that I don't have the attention span to deal with these novels people keep posting. Please keep your responses short and cutting!
Nice offer
I’ve settled the matter with aurologic. We came to an agreement and the issue is resolved on both sides.
Thanks to those who shared their thoughts. While the discussion got a bit heated at times, I understand that people have different views. That said, I don’t see any reason to keep going back and forth over this. The situation has been handled, and continuing the thread won’t add anything useful at this point.
Mods, please go ahead and close the thread.
nice.
well done lads.
so conclusion you paid 3 months as requested?
The agreement is confidential so I cannot go into detail.
Gotta love ‘em NDA’s for a couple K debt where the NDA itself would easily net you a good 1.5K - 2.5K EUR depending on the drafts and how good they are.
I sure as shit wouldn’t trust a random one, or a downloaded one, but I bet there was no NDA here. 😂
Just paid up some nice cash money that should have long went to Joseph. 💪
You have a serious problem with yourself it seems.
I said that it's a confidential agreement. The terms of the agreement must not be disclosed.
You don't know the terms of the agreement, so you cannot really make any conclusions about it.
NDA != confidential agreement.
You will usually refer to an NDA.
I guess Joseph was nice enough to let someone take your contract and got you off the hook.
Pretty good deal, but it’s crazy that it took 11 pages. 😅