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Flyservers Scam?

I see many VMs there but actually provider doesn't offer VPS, high pricing!

https://bgp.tools/search?q=flyservers

Item    Description
AS209588    Flyservers S.A.
AS267784    Flyservers S.A.
AS48721 Flyservers S.A.
147.78.47.0/24  END-CLIENTS-FOR-VPS-VDS
141.98.81.0/24  Cloud VDS Network

https://flyservers.com/

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  • This domain is not authorized to be using WHMCS.

    Thanked by 1Kolestor
  • @Frameworks said:
    This domain is not authorized to be using WHMCS.

    where do you see that?

  • mwmw Member

    @Kolestor said:

    @Frameworks said:
    This domain is not authorized to be using WHMCS.

    where do you see that?

    https://www.whmcs.com/members/verifydomain.php/verifydomain.php

    Thanked by 1Kolestor
  • AndruAndru Member

    @Kolestor said:
    I see many VMs there but actually provider doesn't offer VPS, high pricing!

    https://bgp.tools/search?q=flyservers

    Item Description
    AS209588 Flyservers S.A.
    AS267784 Flyservers S.A.
    AS48721 Flyservers S.A.
    147.78.47.0/24 END-CLIENTS-FOR-VPS-VDS
    141.98.81.0/24 Cloud VDS Network

    https://flyservers.com/

    Where did you find this website ?

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    https://www.abuseipdb.com/check-block/147.78.47.0/24

    Well, doesn't look like scam, more like "bulletproof" hosting not intended for wide public

  • wilhamwilham Barred
    edited April 2025

    It is a bulletproof provider. Used for data exfiltration and cobalt strike, for ransomware operations.
    Ran by Russians and Iranians, with a long history and a bunch of shell companies in Latin America.

    ASN's you listed are just a tip of the iceberg.

    They also sell IPHM(spoof) servers. Basic VPS starts at $100/mo, for "geo" vps, not even fully bulletproof, but enough to steal corporate data.

    I won't tell you where to get it, but maybe @layer7 would ;)

    Thanked by 3lothos JohnnySac oloke
  • mwmw Member

    @wilham said:
    It is a bulletproof provider. Used for data exfiltration and cobalt strike, for ransomware operations.
    Ran by Russians and Iranians, with a long history and a bunch of shell companies in Latin America.

    ASN's you listed are just a tip of the iceberg.

    They also sell IPHM(spoof) servers. Basic VPS starts at $100/mo, for "geo" vps, not even fully bulletproof, but enough to steal corporate data.

    I won't tell you where to get it, but maybe @layer7 would ;)

    ur right the further i went the more insane it became lol

  • wilhamwilham Barred
    edited April 2025

    i can perhaps send the "legitimate" front, https://exservers.net/ also known as ip-transit.ir

    him just like 4vps.su got tricked by @AlbaHost and sell his servers as Albania

    hostkey going strong

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Patron Provider

    @wilham said:
    i can perhaps send the "legitimate" front, https://exservers.net/ also known as ip-transit.ir

    him just like 4vps.su got tricked by @AlbaHost and sell his servers as Albania

    We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

  • wilhamwilham Barred
    edited April 2025

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Patron Provider

    @wilham said:

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

    As stated in my previous reply, check and read our ToS and you will understand.

  • @AlbaHost said:

    @wilham said:

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

    As stated in my previous reply, check and read our ToS and you will understand.

    I cannot find ToS anywhere on your page sir.

  • zGatozGato Member
    edited April 2025

    @wilham said:

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

    Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

    @AlbaHost offers a looking glass and explains everything in their ToS, they don't hide anything. Services are sold as "GeoAlbania".

    Thanked by 2AlbaHost szymonp
  • @zGato said:

    @wilham said:

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

    Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

    Yes.

    Thanked by 1fluffernutter
  • Plot twist: the servers at Flyservers starting to fly away.

    Thanked by 1ethanblake87
  • @zGato said: @AlbaHost offers a looking glass and explains everything in their ToS, they don't hide anything. Services are sold as "GeoAlbania".

    Can you please send me where it states that? On his looking glass its still "GeoAlbania" and servers in completely different countries are just different lines.

  • zGatozGato Member

    @wilham said:

    @zGato said:

    @wilham said:

    @AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

    I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

    What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

    Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

    Yes.

    Go against them and not a small business then, they're the ones that started the trend.

    4vps.su hasn't been lied by @AlbaHost. They've been spoofing locations for a while already. UAE is Madrid, Austria is Germany, ... and 4VPS in fact knows where their servers are.

    Thanked by 1AlbaHost
  • zGatozGato Member
    edited April 2025

    @wilham said:

    @zGato said: @AlbaHost offers a looking glass and explains everything in their ToS, they don't hide anything. Services are sold as "GeoAlbania".

    Can you please send me where it states that? On his looking glass its still "GeoAlbania" and servers in completely different countries are just different lines.

    https://www.albahost.net/service-and-use-agreement

    Thanked by 1AlbaHost
  • @zGato said: Go against them and not a small business then, they're the ones that started the trend.

    This is such a straw man argument. X does something, so it means I can also do X.

  • zGatozGato Member

    @wilham said:

    @zGato said: Go against them and not a small business then, they're the ones that started the trend.

    This is such a straw man argument. X does something, so it means I can also do X.

    you're the one that did bring albahost here in a discussion that's nowhere related to them

    Thanked by 1AlbaHost
  • mwmw Member

    what is the strategy of hosting in Poland but pretending to be in Albania?

  • zGatozGato Member

    @mw said:
    what is the strategy of hosting in Poland but pretending to be in Albania?

    the same reason Nord and all these giant VPN companies have servers in "Bahamas", "Belize", ...

  • One mention on the entire page of words. Not stated anywhere else on the entire company page.

    My point still stands, a little line in "Service Agreement" means nothing. If you genuinely think every customer reads it whole, you are insane. You will be lucky if 10% of his customers understood they aren't really in Albania.

  • mwmw Member

    @zGato said:

    @mw said:
    what is the strategy of hosting in Poland but pretending to be in Albania?

    the same reason Nord and all these giant VPN companies have servers in "Bahamas", "Belize", ...

    deception?

    Thanked by 1Alyx
  • zGatozGato Member

    @mw said:

    @zGato said:

    @mw said:
    what is the strategy of hosting in Poland but pretending to be in Albania?

    the same reason Nord and all these giant VPN companies have servers in "Bahamas", "Belize", ...

    deception?

    bypassing geoblocks, ad-free youtube/twitch, cheaper sub prices, ...

  • @wilham said:
    i can perhaps send the "legitimate" front, https://exservers.net/ also known as ip-transit.ir

    him just like 4vps.su got tricked by @AlbaHost and sell his servers as Albania

    hostkey going strong

    hmm, I disagree, Albahost is legit, 4vps.su I think too

    Flyservers show location in Panama, one of my friends told me it is associated with serveroffer.lt

    Thanked by 1AlbaHost
  • mwmw Member

    @zGato said:

    @mw said:

    @zGato said:

    @mw said:
    what is the strategy of hosting in Poland but pretending to be in Albania?

    the same reason Nord and all these giant VPN companies have servers in "Bahamas", "Belize", ...

    deception?

    bypassing geoblocks, ad-free youtube/twitch, cheaper sub prices, ...

    https://vnm.windscribe.com/knowledge-base/articles/does-windscribe-use-virtual-servers-locations/

    Windscribe does all that and doesn't need to lie

  • zGatozGato Member

    @wilham said:

    One mention on the entire page of words. Not stated anywhere else on the entire company page.

    My point still stands, a little line in "Service Agreement" means nothing. If you genuinely think every customer reads it whole, you are insane. You will be lucky if 10% of his customers understood they aren't really in Albania.

    I don't know about you, but since I have LLM models, I literally read every single ToS via a quick summary. I use over 200 different providers with different rules.

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