Flyservers Scam?

4VPS

@wilham said:

@zGato said: I know the whole squad of pq.hosting and all of them guys, but I don't see where there's a relation with 4VPS besides them using pq.hosting for a few of their upstreams.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211210104207/https://morene.host/

Hi, if you think that we have any relation to morene host - then it is not so, we bought free domains of different providers that ever closed and domains with traffic were available for purchase, this is nothing more than advertising and that's all.

You can see the Whois history of this domain, in what period it was active, in what period it was available for purchase and so on..

wilham

@4Server said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said: I know the whole squad of pq.hosting and all of them guys, but I don't see where there's a relation with 4VPS besides them using pq.hosting for a few of their upstreams.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211210104207/https://morene.host/

Hi, if you think that we have any relation to morene host - then it is not so, we bought free domains of different providers that ever closed and domains with traffic were available for purchase, this is nothing more than advertising and that's all.

You can see the Whois history of this domain, in what period it was active, in what period it was available for purchase and so on..

What are the odds you offered bulletproof hosting at the same time, worked with Ivan (morene and PQ founder), had a morene.host domain, but somehow had no relation to morene?

It makes little sense to me.
I remember your "Abuse" offering pretty well

HostSlick

@wilham said:

@layer7 said:

@wilham said:
I won't tell you where to get it, but maybe @layer7 would

Hi,

i would love to help but most probably as a german provider we can not do something much more stupid, but to get involved in bulletproof hosting.
So unfortunately we are totally useless for this topic ;-;

I agree its stupid.

So what are you saying is:
AS214403 (77.83.36.0/24) isn't used by them, and you have a BG location.
179.60.150.0/24 and 88.214.25.0/24 on AS35042 is a total coincidence and that it isn't them

They had to compromise your infrastructure then and announce their subnets. Really interesting.
Looks like they stolen some of your subnets too https://bgp.tools/rir-owner/de.l7networks-gmbh and announced on their own networks.
They must be really good at it, as its all singed by your account.

Fly high, you seem to realize its retarded to deal with them while being in Germany, but still do it.
Hopefully they paid you enough to cover the lawyers in the future, when Germans break down on Iranian APT groups.

They failed to bribe local authorities in shitholes they operate in and got raided before, looking forward to it happening again.

As a hosting Provider (that isnt a small No Name) you develop a Relationship with The LKA/BKA and etc. and trust me they have a own internal Database with contact Details of hosting providers and everything. If there would be anything wrong they might have contacted @layer7

So all good.
Abuse happens. And If you host resellers, we do that too, you cant always know
Or The reseller has a reseller... (Yes true. )

4VPS

@wilham said:

@4Server said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said: I know the whole squad of pq.hosting and all of them guys, but I don't see where there's a relation with 4VPS besides them using pq.hosting for a few of their upstreams.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211210104207/https://morene.host/

Hi, if you think that we have any relation to morene host - then it is not so, we bought free domains of different providers that ever closed and domains with traffic were available for purchase, this is nothing more than advertising and that's all.

You can see the Whois history of this domain, in what period it was active, in what period it was available for purchase and so on..

What are the odds you offered bulletproof hosting at the same time, worked with Ivan (morene and PQ founder), had a morene.host domain, but somehow had no relation to morene?

It makes little sense to me.
I remember your "Abuse" offering pretty well

As was written above, we have no connection with Morene, except for buying their domain when it was available for purchase, look at the domain's WHOIS, it was free for a long time during that period of time, we also bought many domains from various hostings that were closed.

Regarding the connection with PQ(STARK), as @zGato said in several countries they act as our uplink, and nothing more.

We are not an abuse-resistant hosting and respond to abuses and requests from the police.

wilham

@4Server said: We are not an abuse-resistant hosting and respond to abuses and requests from the police.

Maybe not anymore, as you offered just that before. https://archive.ph/YTDm4

4VPS

@wilham said:

@4Server said: We are not an abuse-resistant hosting and respond to abuses and requests from the police.

Maybe not anymore, as you offered just that before. https://archive.ph/YTDm4

Previously, this location was nothing more than for DMCA, and has nothing to do with what you are writing about)

This location was not there for long and was later completely closed.

As was written above, we are NOT an abuse-resistant hosting and respond to abuses and requests from the police.

mw

@wilham said:

@4Server said: We are not an abuse-resistant hosting and respond to abuses and requests from the police.

Maybe not anymore, as you offered just that before. https://archive.ph/YTDm4

i have no dog in this fight but saw this and wanted to ask:

Rules for Abuse DC1 location:

List of rules and conditions for the provision of services:

1.0 What is PROHIBITED/PERMITTED
1.1 It is allowed to use servers for various software working both with PROXY and without PROXY .

PROHIBITED:

• PHISHING pages avito / blablacar and other RU phishing services.
  It is prohibited:

• Carrying out DDoS attacks (in case of an attack, the channel will be strictly limited)

• Spam / any illegal actions aimed at state bodies of the Russian Federation .
• If you are not sure that the server will suit your purposes, please contact us via Contacts , we will definitely advise you!

We do not store backup servers.
In case of unforeseen circumstances, a replacement server is issued.
As practice shows, we never refuse a client and always try to help, even if it is not our responsibility.

does specifying:

at state bodies of the Russian Federation

count as:

Ignored authorities outside of CIS

or is this just my translation service being ambiguous?

wilham

@4Server said: Previously, this location was nothing more than for DMCA, and has nothing to do with what you are writing about)

Should I really start looking for old IP's and prove what was hosted there? Of course it wasn't DMCA lol.
It was a location in Russia filled to the brim with phishing and other illegal activity.

You ignore DMCA in your NL location, "Abuse" was for blackhat activity.

I think it would be better if you just stopped responding.

wilham

@mw said: does specifying:

at state bodies of the Russian Federation

count as:

Ignored authorities outside of CIS

or is this just my translation service being ambiguous?

It was just that. You could do pretty much anything to countries other than CIS.

4VPS

@wilham said:

@4Server said: Previously, this location was nothing more than for DMCA, and has nothing to do with what you are writing about)

Should I really start looking for old IP's and prove what was hosted there? Of course it wasn't DMCA lol.
It was a location in Russia filled to the brim with phishing and other illegal activity.

You ignore DMCA in your NL location, "Abuse" was for blackhat activity.

I think it would be better if you just stopped responding.

Dear Sir, you can check and search whatever you want and as much as you want, from our side this location was provided for nothing more than DMCA and was a reselling service from another provider.

@wilham said: You ignore DMCA in your NL location

We are currently processing ALL complaints.

There is nothing more to argue with you about; there are as many opinions as there are people.

wilham

lol, just plain lies. If this is supposed to keep you safe from authorities, you should've have thought what you sign your name before. Its kinda too late for that.

titus

@wilham said:

@zGato said:

@wilham said:

@AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

Yes.

Maybe a stupid question, but Is this legal to provide fake/false data (like: fake country code) into the official RIPE/ARIN etc whois databases? it is doesn't violate the rules? They never validate this information?

zGato

@titus said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said:

@wilham said:

@AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

Yes.

Maybe a stupid question, but Is this legal to provide fake/false data (like: fake country code) into the official RIPE/ARIN etc whois databases? it is doesn't violate the rules? They never validate this information?

ARIN and LACNIC don't, but everyone else does have the country field in the inetnum.

There's no rule besides it being a valid country code. Big players would be in trouble if that was against any guideline (for example, Orange France assigns IPs that have country code FR to French Guiana (GF) residents. Similar stuff happens in Aland Islands and many other countries, and they do indeed have a valid country code that can be assigned in the databases)

A big chunk of IP brokers don't even allow you as a customer leasing any subnet to even change that field either so...

Providing fake information about your company and that sort of stuff is a whole story, though.

iceman

@zGato said:

@titus said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said:

@wilham said:

@AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

Yes.

Maybe a stupid question, but Is this legal to provide fake/false data (like: fake country code) into the official RIPE/ARIN etc whois databases? it is doesn't violate the rules? They never validate this information?

ARIN and LACNIC don't, but everyone else does have the country field in the inetnum.

There's no rule besides it being a valid country code. Big players would be in trouble if that was against any guideline (for example, Orange France assigns IPs that have country code FR to French Guiana (GF) residents. Similar stuff happens in Aland Islands and many other countries, and they do indeed have a valid country code that can be assigned in the databases)

A big chunk of IP brokers don't even allow you as a customer leasing any subnet to even change that field either so...

Providing fake information about your company and that sort of stuff is a whole story, though.

Not to mention OVH and their Failover IPs in which you can order them from different geolocation. Lets say you have a server in GRA, and you can freely order failover IPs from other countries with different geo.

https://imgur.com/5lXe8sd

zGato

@iceman said:

@zGato said:

@titus said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said:

@wilham said:

@AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

Yes.

Maybe a stupid question, but Is this legal to provide fake/false data (like: fake country code) into the official RIPE/ARIN etc whois databases? it is doesn't violate the rules? They never validate this information?

ARIN and LACNIC don't, but everyone else does have the country field in the inetnum.

There's no rule besides it being a valid country code. Big players would be in trouble if that was against any guideline (for example, Orange France assigns IPs that have country code FR to French Guiana (GF) residents. Similar stuff happens in Aland Islands and many other countries, and they do indeed have a valid country code that can be assigned in the databases)

A big chunk of IP brokers don't even allow you as a customer leasing any subnet to even change that field either so...

Providing fake information about your company and that sort of stuff is a whole story, though.

Not to mention OVH and their Failover IPs in which you can order them from different geolocation. Lets say you have a server in GRA, and you can freely order failover IPs from other countries with different geo.

https://imgur.com/5lXe8sd

yeah lol

iceman

@zGato said:

@iceman said:

@zGato said:

@titus said:

@wilham said:

@zGato said:

@wilham said:

@AlbaHost said: We do not "trick" anyone, everything is explained in our ToS.

I disagree, I think your marketing is deceptive and your real locations aren't stated anywhere near the order page.

What the fuck is Location: GeoAlbania? Setting AL in whois doesn't mean anything, you just exploit people who don't know any better.

Are the 1000 other VPN companies that advertise "virtual locations" (barely even telling the user and you don't even know the real location) also deceptive marketing?

Yes.

Maybe a stupid question, but Is this legal to provide fake/false data (like: fake country code) into the official RIPE/ARIN etc whois databases? it is doesn't violate the rules? They never validate this information?

ARIN and LACNIC don't, but everyone else does have the country field in the inetnum.

There's no rule besides it being a valid country code. Big players would be in trouble if that was against any guideline (for example, Orange France assigns IPs that have country code FR to French Guiana (GF) residents. Similar stuff happens in Aland Islands and many other countries, and they do indeed have a valid country code that can be assigned in the databases)

A big chunk of IP brokers don't even allow you as a customer leasing any subnet to even change that field either so...

Providing fake information about your company and that sort of stuff is a whole story, though.

Not to mention OVH and their Failover IPs in which you can order them from different geolocation. Lets say you have a server in GRA, and you can freely order failover IPs from other countries with different geo.

https://imgur.com/5lXe8sd

yeah lol

Yeah actually in your screenshot it stated that UK only UK, but i have a GRA server and i can choose UK and almost all their geolocation too. Maybe that is not updated long ago.

https://imgur.com/Sft7j5U