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  • @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @Francisco said:
    When EU??

    I expect the crate to leave next week. We got bit by some things being back ordered at Supermicro by a week or more.

    Francisco

    Waiting for the release so i can switch with my already bought lifetime plan to the EU location

    eh. nope! switching from USA lifetime to EU lifetime not possible!

    I asked some weeks ago and he answered its possible to switch

    what? proof!

    so far, the announcement has always been that it doesn't work. that's why i'm waiting, because i didn't want to spend 70$ for the usa package and then have to buy the eu package again. why is there such contradictory communication here? in addition to the illogical 15 domains that are apparently also set for premium members in the 250G lifetime plan.

    I will try to find and ill come back if i have found it

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4350142/#Comment_4350142

    !!

  • gbzret4dgbzret4d Member
    edited March 2025

    @hyperblast said:

    @angstrom said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @angstrom said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @hyperblast said:
    perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

    What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

    CraneMail Lifetime 250G
    250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
    15 Primary Domains

    $69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

    CraneMail Lifetime 500G
    500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
    50 Primary Domains

    15 primary domains = 69,42$
    50 primary domains = 138,84$

    it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

    But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

    Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

    In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

    (If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

    if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
    i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

    It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

    In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

    When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

    You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

    ok.

    in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

    I was surprised too. Maybe I read it wrong

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4240387#Comment_4240387
    one of the replies. Will look further

    Thanked by 1Smigit
  • bdlbdl Member

    Cancel the deployment of EU Cranemail, I don't think there will be much demand for it. B)

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @hyperblast said: in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

    As far as I can tell, their main strategy -- at least at this time still -- seems to be to sell (non-reseller) lifetime packages and monthly reseller packages

  • @angstrom said:

    @hyperblast said: in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

    As far as I can tell, their main strategy -- at least at this time still -- seems to be to sell (non-reseller) lifetime packages and monthly reseller packages

    in my opinion, (non-reseller) lifetime packages should therefore be better positioned with the primary domains.

  • R4ainR4ain Member

    Thanks <3 Got One

    Thanked by 1NameCrane
  • @Francisco Can you explain how email archiving is working? Is this tab hidden somewhere in the demo version? How can I backup emails to my other server.

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @ServerBachelor said:
    @Francisco will EU lifetime plans be available for the same duration as the US ones? (I.e., 5 months as in November-April)?

    The plan is to always have lifetimes around in some capacity, just prices will slowly increase over time.

    @oriend said:
    EU more expensive? Damn tariffs war...

    On a serious note, is there a feature to block images and tracking pixels in the received email?

    SmarterMail's webmail automatically blocks images from loading - have to hit the "show images" button. Are you looking for a different implementation of that?

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    I had a little heart attack when I saw a new topic of CraneEmail thinking EU launched.

    I got scammed

    Gotta keep you on your toes.

    @qamarulhassan said:
    Hi @Francisco
    Can we send marketing emails in bulk as well as transactional emails?

    No on marketing emails. We've allowed some transactional, but even have banned a few users there because they don't use captchas and other things on forms - so you end up with crazy bounce rates and other things that harm our sending.

    @poes1 said:
    hi @Francisco

    How can I make the reply textarea appear below the email like in the screenshot above?

    That screenshot is of the calendar invite area. I agree it would be nice to have in the main webmail, we've put in the request to SmarterMail to make it an option.

    Thanked by 2COLBYLICIOUS poes1
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @edip said:

    @Francisco said:

    @edip said: thinking "after full webdav and rclone support, it'll cost more".

    Webdav is up to the devs to get ready short of us being madlads and try to side load it. Rclone is there, works great. I need to push the latest update that makes it work with 2FA.

    Hope you enjoy your 1TB!

    Francisco

    Are there any plans for a linux release of rclone?
    Sadly I couldn't make windows version work with kopia or duplicati.

    It should be there. You can always pull the source of finish and compile it with go. I’ll update the binaries to include 2fa.

    Francisco

    Thanked by 1edip
  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @kzed said:
    @Francisco if i buy Lifetime 500G now, can i stack another 500G later down the road with the same price after April 1st or even after the lifetime promo ended?

    If purchased after April 1st then you can still upgrade, but it would be at the new price.

    If you know you're going to need it, you'd save at least $15-20 getting the extra 500G now vs later.

    @ServerBachelor said:
    Aren't Namecrane/Cranemail Canadian? Or is that just BuyVM (formerly).

    NameCrane LLC is US-based - although 2/3rds of ownership is Canadian.

    @hyperblast said:
    now it's getting exciting. lifetime only seems to be available for non-eu cranemail, right? will cranemail europe come before april 1st? will there be cranemail europe lifetime and if so at what price?

    EU will launch sometime in April, lifetimes will be available. Fran's been prepping hardware shipments the last week.

    Lifetime price increase will be ~$10 - $79 per 250GB.

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @edip said:

    @Francisco said:

    @edip said: thinking "after full webdav and rclone support, it'll cost more".

    Webdav is up to the devs to get ready short of us being madlads and try to side load it. Rclone is there, works great. I need to push the latest update that makes it work with 2FA.

    Hope you enjoy your 1TB!

    Francisco

    Are there any plans for a linux release of rclone?
    Sadly I couldn't make windows version work with kopia or duplicati.

    There is actually a linux release. It's under the 1.0 release on github - there are amd64 and arm64 linux builds. https://github.com/namecrane/rclone/releases/tag/1.0

    Thanked by 1edip
  • @NameCrane said:

    @kzed said:
    @Francisco if i buy Lifetime 500G now, can i stack another 500G later down the road with the same price after April 1st or even after the lifetime promo ended?

    If purchased after April 1st then you can still upgrade, but it would be at the new price.

    If you know you're going to need it, you'd save at least $15-20 getting the extra 500G now vs later.

    @ServerBachelor said:
    Aren't Namecrane/Cranemail Canadian? Or is that just BuyVM (formerly).

    NameCrane LLC is US-based - although 2/3rds of ownership is Canadian.

    @hyperblast said:
    now it's getting exciting. lifetime only seems to be available for non-eu cranemail, right? will cranemail europe come before april 1st? will there be cranemail europe lifetime and if so at what price?

    EU will launch sometime in April, lifetimes will be available. Fran's been prepping hardware shipments the last week.

    Lifetime price increase will be ~$10 - $79 per 250GB.

    Unfortunately, other important questions remain unanswered.

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @hyperblast said:
    Unfortunately, other important questions remain unanswered.

    They don't really seem like questions, but more demands from the skimming I did.

    You're free to disagree with us and not buy the product if it doesn't meet your needs.

    There are a number of behind-the-scenes factors to our pricing, etc. I don't want to do a full business breakdown on LET.

    It's either appealing and fits your needs, or it isn't. No hard feelings on our end.

    Thanked by 1Frameworks
  • @NameCrane said:

    @hyperblast said:
    Unfortunately, other important questions remain unanswered.

    They don't really seem like questions, but more demands from the skimming I did.

    You're free to disagree with us and not buy the product if it doesn't meet your needs.

    There are a number of behind-the-scenes factors to our pricing, etc. I don't want to do a full business breakdown on LET.

    It's either appealing and fits your needs, or it isn't. No hard feelings on our end.

    it's not about my comments on your pricing! you could have saved yourself the rest of the rant. of course i have to decide in the end whether 15 or 25 primary domains are the problem for me or not. but it's not decisive for the war.

    it is about contradictory statements and the resulting questions regarding the transfer of an account from cranemail usa to cranemail europe (if it should ever come).

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @hyperblast said:
    it's not about my comments on your pricing! you could have saved yourself the rest of the rant. of course i have to decide in the end whether 15 or 25 primary domains are the problem for me or not. but it's not decisive for the war.

    it is about contradictory statements and the resulting questions regarding the transfer of an account from cranemail usa to cranemail europe (if it should ever come).

    That's mostly what I read, so I apologize if I missed that.

    I think we've been clear that we won't allow location transfers. If you purchase a US-based plan, it will be set to that location for life.

    We also won't be able to (in an automated fashion) handle migrations if you purchase 2 plans (1 in each location) either, so you'd need to move data yourself (thankfully the mailbox migration makes that pretty easy).

    Thanked by 1gbzret4d
  • @NameCrane said:

    @hyperblast said:
    it's not about my comments on your pricing! you could have saved yourself the rest of the rant. of course i have to decide in the end whether 15 or 25 primary domains are the problem for me or not. but it's not decisive for the war.

    it is about contradictory statements and the resulting questions regarding the transfer of an account from cranemail usa to cranemail europe (if it should ever come).

    That's mostly what I read, so I apologize if I missed that.

    I think we've been clear that we won't allow location transfers. If you purchase a US-based plan, it will be set to that location for life.

    We also won't be able to (in an automated fashion) handle migrations if you purchase 2 plans (1 in each location) either, so you'd need to move data yourself (thankfully the mailbox migration makes that pretty easy).

    @gbzret4d

    thank you. the question does not concern me, but i feel obliged to gbzret4d.

    my topic was the one you read most often.

    Thanked by 1gbzret4d
  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @Hotmarer said:
    @Francisco Can you explain how email archiving is working? Is this tab hidden somewhere in the demo version? How can I backup emails to my other server.

    Email archiving is toggled on/off from the domain level and it's a setting in our admin panel. Basically you can tell it if you want all inbound, all outbound, or both directions - and it'll keep an extra immutable copy on the server of every message.

    In the full featured plans the domain admins get access to a "Message Archive Search" - so that's where you can find these messages/etc.

  • @NameCrane said:

    @Hotmarer said:
    @Francisco Can you explain how email archiving is working? Is this tab hidden somewhere in the demo version? How can I backup emails to my other server.

    Email archiving is toggled on/off from the domain level and it's a setting in our admin panel. Basically you can tell it if you want all inbound, all outbound, or both directions - and it'll keep an extra immutable copy on the server of every message.

    In the full featured plans the domain admins get access to a "Message Archive Search" - so that's where you can find these messages/etc.

    It is now possible to archive emails (backup) for example to S3 or FTP server?

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @Hotmarer said:

    @NameCrane said:

    @Hotmarer said:
    @Francisco Can you explain how email archiving is working? Is this tab hidden somewhere in the demo version? How can I backup emails to my other server.

    Email archiving is toggled on/off from the domain level and it's a setting in our admin panel. Basically you can tell it if you want all inbound, all outbound, or both directions - and it'll keep an extra immutable copy on the server of every message.

    In the full featured plans the domain admins get access to a "Message Archive Search" - so that's where you can find these messages/etc.

    It is now possible to archive emails (backup) for example to S3 or FTP server?

    Not yet. We need the new backup infrastructure in place first, and then a constant stream of Coke Zero to fuel @Francisco dev time.

    Infrastructure part is on it's way to the new DC next week - something like 140 x 16TB drives, TBs of ram, 10's of TBs of NVMe's.

  • mwmw Member

    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

    Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

    That’s why the file storage exists ;)

    Francisco

  • how would I change the subdomain from mail.example.com to another to the root domain instead?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @dragonballz2k said:
    how would I change the subdomain from mail.example.com to another to the root domain instead?

    You can set the “ssl hostname” inside the cranemail portal where you credit and edit domains.

    Francisco

    Thanked by 1dragonballz2k
  • @Francisco said:

    @DrNutella said: Does this mail service clear spam? Meaning for business and companies using outlook and such

    If you enable Spamexperts it works quite excellent for incoming spam/malware/phishing blocking :)

    Francisco

    I mean the other way around. My clients are Fortune 500

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @DrNutella said:

    @Francisco said:

    @DrNutella said: Does this mail service clear spam? Meaning for business and companies using outlook and such

    If you enable Spamexperts it works quite excellent for incoming spam/malware/phishing blocking :)

    Francisco

    I mean the other way around. My clients are Fortune 500

    If an outgoing email gets blocked then we can release it and train it as HAM. We can also whitelist senders of need be, no problem.

    Francisco

  • XNQXNQ Member

    @Francisco - regarding the "free eM client pro"; if I buy a $10/y plan I basically get a free eM client pro licesnse I can use for all my email accounts, even not hosted with Namecrane?

    And can you change or remove and re-add other primary domains on accounts later on?

  • @XNQ said:
    @Francisco - regarding the "free eM client pro"; if I buy a $10/y plan I basically get a free eM client pro licesnse I can use for all my email accounts, even not hosted with Namecrane?

    Yep.

  • mwmw Member

    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

    @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

    Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

    That’s why the file storage exists ;)

    Francisco

    Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

    Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

    @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

    Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

    That’s why the file storage exists ;)

    Francisco

    Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

    Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

    Go open a ticket and I’ll bump it.

    Francisco

    Thanked by 1mw
  • @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

    @mw said:
    Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

    46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

    Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

    That’s why the file storage exists ;)

    Francisco

    Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

    Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

    Which is fine until you send a massive attachment to anyone else and their mail server rejects it for being massive.

    Seriously, use the right tool for the job - nobody wants 150MB attachments outside of internal networks.

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