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Major Path.net Outage. 6 (maybe more) PoPs down at the same time.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited February 2025

    @Verasel said:

    @ehhthing said: Also just an FYI, I'm reasonably sure Path got initial investment from ... Minecraft servers that needed DDoS protection which is why it was able to commit for these massive links and also why the owners seem to be children.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Path started (or came around?) the time when CoinPayments "needed help", and later on came with MojoHost, et cetera.

    In my humble opinion, the money came from big businesses, not children. Especially not Minecraft. Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains, and I think, regardless of what some would say, at that age, they built a working PoC, and went out into the wild... and just got more and more customers.

    Yes, ^that.

    Most people probably don't know it but money - and lots and lots of it - is made not only with crypto-"money" but also around it and that also is the real money made with and around many games. And we're talking about Billions here.

    Just a few examples:

    • [some]-Coin of Melania Trump has been "sniped" (scene term) it seems
    • [some]-Coin in/with some relation to Argentina, or more precisely, to Milei had been heavily sniped plus there seem to be gross "irregularities". One insider who's been directly involved said, that there was a kind of deal between a shady group and Milei which paid very handsome amounts to Milei's sister and that, I quote (not verbatim) "Milei was/is a pawn in our hands, he did whatever we told him". While, to the best of my knowledge, none of this has been properly investigated and brought before a court, there are sufficiently many witnesses and plenty evidence it seems
    • Billions have been and still are made in de-facto online casinos as well as in in-game shops (often tightly linked).

    Both crypto-"currency" and major pipes/transits/POPs across a continent or even globally are not only what the groups behind them tell us they are, but they also are like what rivers and oceans are for transport and commerce, but for pirates. In addition, on a small river every boat can be noticed and potentially controlled, on a large river near a busy metropolis not so much.

    Finally, just look at the principle behind what NSA and the likes do. They basically get an "extra door/entry/exit" and/or hidden floors etc. Now just turn that upside down, but same principle: If you have fat pipelines you can basically "make traffic unseen", give priority to special clients, etc. and if you run a large "crypto"-currency operation you can give "cookies" to "special clients" or make certain transactions nearly "invisible".

    There both groups with massive amounts and money touch with groups having massive pipes/POPs etc ... and to certain groups it just looks reasonable to connect the two.

  • Yeah bro, full capacity bro, still 10Tbps bro, we are doing datacenter migrations to ensure even better performance bro.

  • @kait said:
    Yeah bro, full capacity bro, still 10Tbps bro, we are doing datacenter migrations to ensure even better performance bro.

    They will say they are now private peering only lol

  • @Verasel said: Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains

    I'm telling you, yes you need some brains, but its not rocket science. That's why there are so many alternatives now like gcore, gsl, stormwall, cosmic, neoprotect etc...

    The number of people who are smart enough to design a global anycast ddos protection system isn't high (you aren't going to be able to hire some random indian on upwork to do it for cheap). But it is still much higher than the number of people who can afford and want to risk paying >$50,000 per month in bandwidth and colo costs.

  • Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    Thanked by 1kait
  • Poland TPIX and THINX are also offline.

  • @PolyAnthi said:
    Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    They have for lg-api-lon.tempest.net but routing is so cursed that the UK gets routed to madrid and amsterdam and germany and france to the UK.

    Thanked by 1PolyAnthi
  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @kait said:

    @PolyAnthi said:
    Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    They have for lg-api-lon.tempest.net but routing is so cursed that the UK gets routed to madrid and amsterdam and germany and france to the UK.

    That's called taking the scenic route.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @MannDude said:

    @kait said:

    @PolyAnthi said:
    Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    They have for lg-api-lon.tempest.net but routing is so cursed that the UK gets routed to madrid and amsterdam and germany and france to the UK.

    That's called taking the scenic route.

    scenicpath.net

    Thanked by 2WyvernCo mrTom
  • @emgh said:

    @MannDude said:

    @kait said:

    @PolyAnthi said:
    Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    They have for lg-api-lon.tempest.net but routing is so cursed that the UK gets routed to madrid and amsterdam and germany and france to the UK.

    That's called taking the scenic route.

    scenicpath.net

    Take the scenic path with cockhost.com

    Thanked by 2emgh sh97
  • @kait said:

    @PolyAnthi said:
    Interestingly, Path claim to have London online via RETN but RETN's routers would disagree (https://retn.net/network/looking-glass). And the IXs are still offline of course.

    They have for lg-api-lon.tempest.net but routing is so cursed that the UK gets routed to madrid and amsterdam and germany and france to the UK.

    Explains the fucked latency

  • SillyGooseSillyGoose Member
    edited March 2025

    @Verasel said:

    @ehhthing said: Also just an FYI, I'm reasonably sure Path got initial investment from ... Minecraft servers that needed DDoS protection which is why it was able to commit for these massive links and also why the owners seem to be children.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Path started (or came around?) the time when CoinPayments "needed help", and later on came with MojoHost, et cetera.

    In my humble opinion, the money came from big businesses, not children. Especially not Minecraft. Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains, and I think, regardless of what some would say, at that age, they built a working PoC, and went out into the wild... and just got more and more customers.

    Path started as blockchain security.

    Thanked by 1Verasel
  • @SillyGoose said:

    @Verasel said:

    @ehhthing said: Also just an FYI, I'm reasonably sure Path got initial investment from ... Minecraft servers that needed DDoS protection which is why it was able to commit for these massive links and also why the owners seem to be children.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Path started (or came around?) the time when CoinPayments "needed help", and later on came with MojoHost, et cetera.

    In my humble opinion, the money came from big businesses, not children. Especially not Minecraft. Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains, and I think, regardless of what some would say, at that age, they built a working PoC, and went out into the wild... and just got more and more customers.

    Path started as blockchain security.

    Too senile and old. But from what I remember, knowledgeable people.

  • @Verasel said:

    @SillyGoose said:

    @Verasel said:

    @ehhthing said: Also just an FYI, I'm reasonably sure Path got initial investment from ... Minecraft servers that needed DDoS protection which is why it was able to commit for these massive links and also why the owners seem to be children.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Path started (or came around?) the time when CoinPayments "needed help", and later on came with MojoHost, et cetera.

    In my humble opinion, the money came from big businesses, not children. Especially not Minecraft. Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains, and I think, regardless of what some would say, at that age, they built a working PoC, and went out into the wild... and just got more and more customers.

    Path started as blockchain security.

    Too senile and old. But from what I remember, knowledgeable people.

    Yes, Bitmain supported them so did many other big crypto firms.

  • so are they still supporting them? why didn't they just use cloudflare like bitmain.com is doing now?

  • @bobert said:
    so are they still supporting them? why didn't they just use cloudflare like bitmain.com is doing now?

    It's always good to have alternatives. I guess they didn't want to "just use Cloudflare" and see if another company could compete in that space.

  • Purely speculation
    1. From what I heard the company was completely self funded/bootstrapped until they got funding from Bitmain and others during their pre-release of Path Token.
    2. Path is Backconnect v2 rebranded after founders found out that one of their founders was DDOSing clients. Seems like they had to rebrand to get away from the fallout. No fault to them for that decision. You can look for court cases / past threads to verify this happened, but obviously the assumption that this was the reason for the name change is up for interpretation.
    3. Path started out/raised funding on trying to leverage blockchain / web 3.0 by offering tokens for contributors to run an app on their PC/Servers to get trace routes / network information. From what I can tell most of their token / fund raising has been scrubbed from the internet.
    4. Company moved away from this goal and started to focus on video game hosting with DDoS protection as their main value add.
    5. Would be interesting to find out if anyone else knows why they ditched their initial goals and what their investors thought about that move.

    Thanked by 1mrTom
  • Now everything makes sense. I have machines on tempest.net and was recently kicked out of the 10G plans. They disconnected my network saying they would no longer provide 10G. They let me use it until the end of the monthly payment cycle. This happened with both NY and DALLAS. It seems that there must be a lack of LINK or a broken contract with path.net. In addition, they were very rude in support via ticket, Kyan. After 1 month, our servers with tempest located in NY were down for practically 24 hours. They said the server was on a truck on its way to a new data center. I currently only have 1 server in NY, which I will cancel soon.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • KyanG7KyanG7 Member, Host Rep

    @vipeweb said:
    Now everything makes sense. I have machines on tempest.net and was recently kicked out of the 10G plans. They disconnected my network saying they would no longer provide 10G. They let me use it until the end of the monthly payment cycle. This happened with both NY and DALLAS. It seems that there must be a lack of LINK or a broken contract with path.net. In addition, they were very rude in support via ticket, Kyan. After 1 month, our servers with tempest located in NY were down for practically 24 hours. They said the server was on a truck on its way to a new data center. I currently only have 1 server in NY, which I will cancel soon.

    Please reach out to me via discord or our ticket system, I believe the 10G change was made before I took over and I'd love to see what we can do for you. I also don't remember saying any servers were on a truck in NY, less than 24 hour downtime is pretty good for a datacenter migration which can be seen likely on LET as a whole for anyone doing migrations and we compensate for downtime like this.

  • did singapore/tokyo recover already?

  • They started reply tempest reviews on trustpilot. But they only wirte "Path does not provide dedicated servers."
    Lol

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo

  • Where 10Gbit :'(

  • @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

  • @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

  • @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

    It's called a "loss leader", offer something for really cheap while losing money on it in hopes that the customer will be tempted to purchase something else that's more expensive. Looking back on it, the 10G really only worked within the city the server was in, outside of the city you could expect more like 2.5 or 3 Gbps anyway.

  • @gremeyer said:

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

    It's called a "loss leader", offer something for really cheap while losing money on it in hopes that the customer will be tempted to purchase something else that's more expensive. Looking back on it, the 10G really only worked within the city the server was in, outside of the city you could expect more like 2.5 or 3 Gbps anyway.

    Thats not how it works in this industry

    95% of users always stay on cheapest package and abuse it to the max

  • mwmw Member

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

    It's called a "loss leader", offer something for really cheap while losing money on it in hopes that the customer will be tempted to purchase something else that's more expensive. Looking back on it, the 10G really only worked within the city the server was in, outside of the city you could expect more like 2.5 or 3 Gbps anyway.

    Thats not how it works in this industry

    95% of users always stay on cheapest package and abuse it to the max

    ya this why deadpool

  • mwmw Member

    @gremeyer said:

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

    It's called a "loss leader", offer something for really cheap while losing money on it in hopes that the customer will be tempted to purchase something else that's more expensive. Looking back on it, the 10G really only worked within the city the server was in, outside of the city you could expect more like 2.5 or 3 Gbps anyway.

    sounds like they gave 10G via IX peering and anything over transit was highly contended lmfao

  • LeviLevi Member

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @apollo15 said:

    @gremeyer said:

    @daffyy said:

    Where 10Gbit :'(

    It isn't a thing anymore because they lost a ton of capacity, same with their 10G dedicated servers on Tempest, it's fair use now. I guess the more capacity you have, the cheaper bandwidth and vice versa.

    it was not profitable anyway.

    It's called a "loss leader", offer something for really cheap while losing money on it in hopes that the customer will be tempted to purchase something else that's more expensive. Looking back on it, the 10G really only worked within the city the server was in, outside of the city you could expect more like 2.5 or 3 Gbps anyway.

    Thats not how it works in this industry

    95% of users always stay on cheapest package and abuse it to the max

    Tell that story to cloudflare and oracle free tier.

  • @KyanG7 said:

    @vipeweb said:
    Now everything makes sense. I have machines on tempest.net and was recently kicked out of the 10G plans. They disconnected my network saying they would no longer provide 10G. They let me use it until the end of the monthly payment cycle. This happened with both NY and DALLAS. It seems that there must be a lack of LINK or a broken contract with path.net. In addition, they were very rude in support via ticket, Kyan. After 1 month, our servers with tempest located in NY were down for practically 24 hours. They said the server was on a truck on its way to a new data center. I currently only have 1 server in NY, which I will cancel soon.

    Please reach out to me via discord or our ticket system, I believe the 10G change was made before I took over and I'd love to see what we can do for you. I also don't remember saying any servers were on a truck in NY, less than 24 hour downtime is pretty good for a datacenter migration which can be seen likely on LET as a whole for anyone doing migrations and we compensate for downtime like this.

    Given you don't have any sort of special Host title and you don't say who you are, wtf are you?

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