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If they have outstanding debts to other companies what difference will it make if they just change providers?
Do they think Equinix or others will just forget about what they owed and move on? As long as they are in the business someone could just put hold onto their assets to cover the amount they owe.
I mean that seems to be exactly what happened to cologix last year.
They also seemed to have been able to move their gear out of equinix instead being seized and liquidated to cover debts.
What game is that
Bum Simulator
Thanks!
Is there anyone who takes the first bets when Path goes down completely?
Nah, they will stick around for a couple more years, not the same size they were though, there are some shit but alright alternatives poping off.
NeoProtect is much better tbh
Heard super mixed thing about it.
Natvps.net NY location is also down for 24 hours now.
They're keeping @calin online, I believe.
Looks like they use Datapacket for prefiltering like many of the other DDoS Mitigation providers though.
I saw that too. They are using other ddos mitigation providers for upstream and volumetric ddos.
Reminds me of a certain something...
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The bill will eventually come due at some point, eventually a colocation provider will just seize their equipment until they pay up…
Chinese woman translation is epic.
But that's the thing. None of them did. Apparently they can get free service for months and nothing ever gets seized.
At this point this is just a guess game but I am not sure if a provider can just simply seize the property without any legal requests? I mean if someone owes money to you, you either go to collection agency or go to court. Which I think equinix did the latter.
AFAIK If you are the direct colocation customer of a facility, they will absolutely deny your access if you're behind on bills. If your access works, you can remove your property. It's pretty much that simple. So while the provider cannot just "seize" hardware(thats a legal operation involving courts and judgments), they can effectively lock you out. How long overdue will they let you get before locking you out? Probably depends on how big your bill is, how long you've been a customer, and how much contact you've had with them. I couldn't imagine over 30 days without very special circumstances.
Tidbit: When moving facilities about an hour apart within the same company we had some weirdness where they couldn't figure out what we were doing (billing doesn't talk to OPS doesn't talk to sales) and they wanted to halt us at the door to make sure we were current with billing. Problem for them is that we just took everyone offline to physically migrate gear in an extremely high-stress situation so my patience was pretty thin at that moment. Especially so because this was something we had been communicating with them for 2 months on--and it turned into a "you're going to have to physically halt me or call the cops on me as I leave" (which in the US is not going to happen). They couldn't get a hold of their billing department anyways and just gave up for the next 4 trips. Short of it: our access cards worked and we had the keys to the rack, so not much that can be done.
That leads me to believe that they probably aren't behind on paying the DC (or not behind any significant amount) and likely have pricing negotiations that broke down in the 9th inning. Failed Mexican standoff or similar, and now it's a rush to move since a bluff was called. I have no clue, but that seems most likely. Now when it comes to ports/bandwidth? Totally different story, there is no recourse there besides collections and just turning the port off. I know those can be left on (despite unpaid) for a long time. We had an autopay that got changed for a backup circuit and it went unpaid for 3 months before they were asking "Hey uhh....". No problem, paid, but I was shocked they didn't turn it off.
I was told this is what occurred by someone at Path. I can't 100% confirm it. However, from what was given to me, it seems like they wanted to re-negotiate on power pricing. They have a "global" account with Equinix, so once one region went unpaid, they started to pull power everywhere else, causing the outage that we all saw.
I doubt this is what happened because they are not using equinix everywhere (such as phoenixnap) and they got kicked out from non-equinix locations as well.
Probably you don't see a big picture. If you have unpaid bills, company usually go to court and legally extract required amount. We don't know how hardware is identified in path, maybe it belongs to private person and not the company directly? If you confiscate hardware without any court order - you risk of a law suite. That's probably is a loophole which path exploits. But as soon as they stumble upon company with big balls - they are toasted.
Tempest is technically a separate company on paper. It’s likely that the hardware is registered under Tempest rather than Path. Thats how they got away with it.
I can confirm that it's not Tempest but Path in Germany; The account name is Path Network Inc.
Equinix introduced Global billing accounts last year. The most customers have one account for each country. But that also means that there is a seperate billing analyst and credit collections specialist in each country.
That also means that they could have a different agreement or a payment plan with the collection team in Germany vs with the billing team in London/UK.
So, shells to avoid litigation?
Yes, solid strategy, ask ehh, I won't name names
Just crane that name ;D
Not even, I love frannytranny.