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Path is back up in NYC.
Path officially changed their company address due to the case they defaulted on because they didn't show up. Path Network, Inc. Principal office is now pointing to 1209 Orange Street, Wilmington, DE, 19801, USA (Their Delaware Agents address) Court Case
ACC Address Change
Interesting that their AZ business information still says their Domicile State is Nevada, because based on their new address its DE now.
Both Path and Tempest AZ principal office address point to their lawyers office for the Principal Office Address. Adam Trenk who is named as their Statutory Agent (Tempest) is their lawyer (Rose Law Group PC for Path). Tempest Articles of Organization
Tempest Hosting, LLC is a Arizona LLC with principals: "Member and Manager: Path Network Inc." Path Network, Inc. in AZ is the sole Member and Manager of Tempest, with Marshal Webb being the only person listed as both Director and CEO.
Also interesting that Tempest updated their website to show "live" Attacks Mitigated (Didn't have this based on Wayback Machine Jan 18th). Inspecting show its not really "live". Screenshot is not from today, but the website still shows the same data. Their "Trusted by" is also misleading. Is this legal? False advertisement?
https://imgur.com/a/W6svNkZ
I have more information about these guys from vetted sources if you want me to share more.
Looks like they have some very loyal lawyers.
We want all the drama we can get.
As per Stefeman request, removing speculation to keep discussion relevant to threads topic.
A lot of assumptions there. This is primarily a thread to address the downtime and weird network issues they seem to have with disappearing PoPs and latency issues and possible rumors and lies related to that.
If ur gonna speculate further, try kiwifarms or some other place. We love drama but someone's wife is not really relevant to the discussion lol. I might have opened the thread, but this stuff can get you sued in defamation lawsuit. LET is an USA site, if u gonna expose/speculate more stuff which cannot be confirmed from public source, prepare to get potentially sued by the people in question.
This thread has lived its course by now.
I think most PoPs will be back up just in different DC's but I don't believe a word about returning to full capacity.
Path's Sydney POP appears to be back online after a week of downtime.
It's unclear why Path and Tempest staff claimed they were waiting on Telstra, given that they are now single-homed to AS136557 - Host Universal Pty Ltd in Sydney. Telstra not paid?
Correct, and they got IXPs back up as well, They probably colo with Host Universal.
Path were having a lot of issues last night from attacks of 500 Million PPS @ 1Tbit. So much for their "12Tbit"/"17Tbit" capacity now.
I prefer kippensoep :]
Je bent zelf een kip.
Typical Krebs yada yada, half-truths, distortions (e.g. by ignoring context) and plain BS.
Plus, evidently he hates the "evil right-wing" Trump government, plus still seeks revenge for having been swatted. THAT is what his "article" is driven by.
Now, don't be too harsh, after all 2025 does bring risk! The risk of path involucrating ...
I used to run few VPS with a hosting company that relies on Path.net.
After some weeks of good usage, I literally had to run away. Totally unreliable, 80% packet loss and they won't resolve.
This is not about a 1 week downtime, they have problems since November 2024.
Krebs is one of the biggest disinfo idiots in this "industry". I can't help but laugh at anything that comes from his mouth, even when it's about allegedly "bad people". He is a liar. Undeniably...
BTW, sad to hear that Path is having issues... they used to be pretty good a couple years back. No clue how they got these issues, unless it's mismanagement or online trolls... but seems that they lost a lot.
Path having ongoing worldwide issues at the moment. My guess is a large DDoS attack.
Mismanagement, is my guess. The whole culture is insane. During downtimes, I think I recall a Tempest sales rep joking about it in the Discord.
And the leaked video ”meeting” is even more insane, if you’ve seen that.
My guess is they suceeded too quickly with too litte experience actually running something serious. This is the result.
Probably. Sharkes smell blood. A competitor, or a scriptkiddie, felt like disproving their retained claims given the state of things is my guess.
Makes you wonder… even if some of the things are factual. They still had a working product, and they somehow managed to land whales. A lot of them. One way or another, that’s saying a lot about their sales skills. So I find it hard to believe that some of those leaks are recent, or even relevant.. at least to the current situation. But I don’t speak to them, I don’t use them. I can’t comment as to what’s going on right now, but I hope it’s not the whole sharks thing.. so many of these services are of dubious origins. But Path are the only ones that managed to get real mainstream clientele. That’s truly hard to dispute… like I said, I hope that they figure their things out. Too many companies relying on them, and the competition is “just as bad”, or “worse”.
I mean, when they started out I think Cloudflare Magic Transit was the biggest competitor, and from what I know, they charge A LOT more. I think BuyVM used to be an early tester for the product but even they ended up with Path (due to costs, I’d imagine).
But given the state of things, I’d imagine lots of the bigger enterprise clients actively consider moving, maybe already planning for it.
No.
Magic Transit wasn't flexible and able to help us when we got hit with a carpet bomb attack. Their system was just too rigid at the time and required weeks to add new subnets. Path was able to onboard us quickly and sort things out.
We kept both for many months and even had discussion channels for each company on our discord.
Francisco
There are viable alternatives, its not 2020 anymore. There's no reason to continue giving these crooks your money for a subpar service.
Path still having major issues tonight, Tempest Discord is on fire along with many others.
Alright, since their POPs are actually working, switch back then?
highly likely created by technically (very) capable people
Not necessarily. Two major factors were already mentioned, (a) much lower price, and (b) what @Francisco laid out (thanks btw, Francisco for that insight). I presume (c) that "culture" (rather the opposite) that is, woke, diversity, etc. also played a major role ("Hey, they give a second chance to ex-inmates" + the meme-like "those kids are brilliant but sadly took a bad path" image).
But it also seems hard to deny the fact that the "brilliant kids" pissed off many, and in a major way.
It also seems that there were/are no adults on their board or investing who told them "you wanna be a serious player and running a serious company -or- you wanna be cool but idiotic guys? Make up your mind or I'm out!" and put them on a leash.
At the end of the day it seems that they drove many of their customers into the arms of their competitors.
@jsg I have been saying this all along. The product is great but there does need to be an adult buffer between the tech staff and public. It's not a Path fault per se and sadly a lot of young tech companies are this way.
They are capable to a certain extent but they aren't geniuses. They were just early and took the risk of dropping a lot of money on a business model that might not have panned out. And banking on the risk that cloudflare, the behemoth with limitless venture capital funding, isn't going to try very hard to take this market.
There are plenty of other people doing the same thing they are, myself included just on a smaller and cheaper scale.
The main problem is having enough money to buy 100s of gbits of commit in multiple locations. The software is not rocket science. It was just really hard to do in 2020 because XDP was bleeding edge and wasn't even stable.
But there are real alternatives now. They might not have the exact locations you want or they might be a bit more expensive. But you certainly have a choice these days.
I agree. I nominate myself to be new CEO.
I second this. Path isn't doing anything like insanely novel or interesting, their major advantage is simply having the money to have such a big network footprint. You don't even really need XDP to do what they're doing, although admittedly it does make it much easier.
Also just an FYI, I'm reasonably sure Path got initial investment from ... Minecraft servers that needed DDoS protection which is why it was able to commit for these massive links and also why the owners seem to be children.
I don't think Magic Transit was ever really their competitor -- Cloudflare has a very different clientele (mostly Enterprise) while Path focuses more on gaming and the lowend segment of the market. Their major competitor is probably CosmicGuard who are basically in the same industry with the exact same clientbase as Path.
@ehhthing That’s why I said ”was” and not ”is”. But yeah, I agree.
I'm pretty sure this isn't the case. Path started (or came around?) the time when CoinPayments "needed help", and later on came with MojoHost, et cetera.
In my humble opinion, the money came from big businesses, not children. Especially not Minecraft. Having a ton of transit does not equate being able to actually do much if you don't have the brains, and I think, regardless of what some would say, at that age, they built a working PoC, and went out into the wild... and just got more and more customers.