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  • FrankCastleFrankCastle Member
    edited September 2024

    @emgh said:

    But you still can’t see yourself if you’re actually in a HA cluster or not?

    https://bashify.io/i/EAA8Mx_massivegrid_ha

    The panel has an indication status for the "cluster" so one might assume they are indeed on said cluster but until you submit a ticket that is actually not the case (currently anyway).

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • caasifycaasify 🚩 Patron Provider Tag Suspended

    You can use the Caasify marketplace, which allows you to access all these providers (Hetzner, Linode, or even local data centers) on one platform.

  • MassiveGRIDMassiveGRID Member, Patron Provider

    @FrankCastle said:

    @silun said:

    @MassiveGRID said:

    @FrankCastle said:
    @MassiveGRID

    Could you elaborate on your HA offerings? It seems like by default anyone that signs up does NOT have high availability. We have to submit a ticket to be processed and put on the HA cluster(s). Now this isn't a big deal to submit a ticket to be moved over but why wouldn't that be the default for all customers to just start on the HA cluster?

    It'll be default soon. You're 100% correct on your feedback.

    I was not aware of that and I have not written such a ticket, but it says H/A in multiple places on my services:

    • In the product name
    • In the services overview, there's a column "H/A Server Status"
    • On the right sidebar of the product details, "H/A Cluster Status"

    So how do I know whether or not my server is on the H/A cluster? Where would I have been able to find this information if I hadn't seen that post?

    Edit: This is in Frankfurt, if that matters. Also, @FrankCastle how did you find that out?

    I am THAT guy that reads all the fine print. Like you because all of the branding having HA everywhere I initially assumed that was the case but upon additional research I found something in their knowledge base that said we had to submit a ticket so I did.

    It is nice to know that they are working to make this the default going forward. That way not everyone will need to do extra research or read this forum to benefit.

    @emgh said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @silun said:

    @MassiveGRID said:

    @FrankCastle said:
    @MassiveGRID

    Could you elaborate on your HA offerings? It seems like by default anyone that signs up does NOT have high availability. We have to submit a ticket to be processed and put on the HA cluster(s). Now this isn't a big deal to submit a ticket to be moved over but why wouldn't that be the default for all customers to just start on the HA cluster?

    It'll be default soon. You're 100% correct on your feedback.

    I was not aware of that and I have not written such a ticket, but it says H/A in multiple places on my services:

    • In the product name
    • In the services overview, there's a column "H/A Server Status"
    • On the right sidebar of the product details, "H/A Cluster Status"

    So how do I know whether or not my server is on the H/A cluster? Where would I have been able to find this information if I hadn't seen that post?

    Edit: This is in Frankfurt, if that matters. Also, @FrankCastle how did you find that out?

    I am THAT guy that reads all the fine print. Like you because all of the branding having HA everywhere I initially assumed that was the case but upon additional research I found something in their knowledge base that said we had to submit a ticket so I did.

    It is nice to know that they are working to make this the default going forward. That way not everyone will need to do extra research or read this forum to benefit.

    But you still can’t see yourself if you’re actually in a HA cluster or not?

    All our services, KVM VPS, KVM VDS, cPanel, WHM Reseller, etc run on High Availability Clusters. @FrankCastle is correct that manual intervention is needed to enable H/A on the KVM level. We're rolling out an update to make this automated, so no manual intervention will be needed from the 24x7 support.

    Thanked by 2FrankCastle emgh
  • ryzenryzen Barred

    @MassiveGRID

    Is it possible to match or come close to something like this?

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/sda2):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 75.60 MB/s   (18.9k) | 887.79 MB/s  (13.8k)
Write      | 75.80 MB/s   (18.9k) | 892.46 MB/s  (13.9k)
Total      | 151.41 MB/s  (37.8k) | 1.78 GB/s    (27.8k)
           |                      |                     
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 1.44 GB/s     (2.8k) | 1.47 GB/s     (1.4k)
Write      | 1.52 GB/s     (2.9k) | 1.57 GB/s     (1.5k)
Total      | 2.97 GB/s     (5.8k) | 3.04 GB/s     (2.9k)
         

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 1335

    I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.

  • NUXOANUXOA Member, Patron Provider

    Check out http://manager.nuxoa.de/dedicated

    Or drop us a PM for a custom config.

  • alexhostalexhost Member, Patron Provider

    We don't want to say that we are an alternative to Hetzner, not least because the prices may be similar, but certainly not at the same level of hardware/price. In fact, we can't even compare a company as large as Hetzner.

    You can consider our dedicated servers as an ‘alternative’ to what is common on the market, in other words, an alternative to the usual. That's optional.
    https://alexhost.com/dedicated-servers/

    Anything just contact our support :smile:

    Alexhost

    Thanked by 1r3k
  • vikiahm3dvikiahm3d Member

    @MassiveGRID said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @silun said:

    @MassiveGRID said:

    @FrankCastle said:
    @MassiveGRID

    Could you elaborate on your HA offerings? It seems like by default anyone that signs up does NOT have high availability. We have to submit a ticket to be processed and put on the HA cluster(s). Now this isn't a big deal to submit a ticket to be moved over but why wouldn't that be the default for all customers to just start on the HA cluster?

    It'll be default soon. You're 100% correct on your feedback.

    I was not aware of that and I have not written such a ticket, but it says H/A in multiple places on my services:

    • In the product name
    • In the services overview, there's a column "H/A Server Status"
    • On the right sidebar of the product details, "H/A Cluster Status"

    So how do I know whether or not my server is on the H/A cluster? Where would I have been able to find this information if I hadn't seen that post?

    Edit: This is in Frankfurt, if that matters. Also, @FrankCastle how did you find that out?

    I am THAT guy that reads all the fine print. Like you because all of the branding having HA everywhere I initially assumed that was the case but upon additional research I found something in their knowledge base that said we had to submit a ticket so I did.

    It is nice to know that they are working to make this the default going forward. That way not everyone will need to do extra research or read this forum to benefit.

    @emgh said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @silun said:

    @MassiveGRID said:

    @FrankCastle said:
    @MassiveGRID

    Could you elaborate on your HA offerings? It seems like by default anyone that signs up does NOT have high availability. We have to submit a ticket to be processed and put on the HA cluster(s). Now this isn't a big deal to submit a ticket to be moved over but why wouldn't that be the default for all customers to just start on the HA cluster?

    It'll be default soon. You're 100% correct on your feedback.

    I was not aware of that and I have not written such a ticket, but it says H/A in multiple places on my services:

    • In the product name
    • In the services overview, there's a column "H/A Server Status"
    • On the right sidebar of the product details, "H/A Cluster Status"

    So how do I know whether or not my server is on the H/A cluster? Where would I have been able to find this information if I hadn't seen that post?

    Edit: This is in Frankfurt, if that matters. Also, @FrankCastle how did you find that out?

    I am THAT guy that reads all the fine print. Like you because all of the branding having HA everywhere I initially assumed that was the case but upon additional research I found something in their knowledge base that said we had to submit a ticket so I did.

    It is nice to know that they are working to make this the default going forward. That way not everyone will need to do extra research or read this forum to benefit.

    But you still can’t see yourself if you’re actually in a HA cluster or not?

    All our services, KVM VPS, KVM VDS, cPanel, WHM Reseller, etc run on High Availability Clusters. @FrankCastle is correct that manual intervention is needed to enable H/A on the KVM level. We're rolling out an update to make this automated, so no manual intervention will be needed from the 24x7 support.

    I was actually excited to after reading your messages but the quality of the hosts are nothing to be exited about.

    Here is WrodPress Benchmark - https://report.wpbenchmark.io/GNoufciT1y/

    and YABS

    Basic System Information:

    Uptime : 0 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes
    Processor : Intel Core Processor (Broadwell, no TSX)
    CPU cores : 4 @ 2099.998 MHz
    AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM : 11.7 GiB
    Swap : 4.0 GiB
    Disk : 125.4 GiB
    Distro : Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
    Kernel : 5.15.0-122-generic
    VM Type : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6 : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline

    IPv4 Network Information:

    ISP : Massivegrid LTD
    ASN : AS49683 MASSIVEGRID LTD
    Host : MassiveGRID
    Location : London, England (ENG)
    Country : United Kingdom

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/sda2):

    Block Size 4k (IOPS) 64k (IOPS)
    Read 3.98 MB/s (996) 63.76 MB/s (996)
    Write 4.01 MB/s (1.0k) 64.18 MB/s (1.0k)
    Total 7.99 MB/s (1.9k) 127.95 MB/s (1.9k)
    Block Size 512k (IOPS) 1m (IOPS)
    ------ --- ---- ---- ----
    Read 146.94 MB/s (287) 145.08 MB/s (141)
    Write 154.75 MB/s (302) 154.74 MB/s (151)
    Total 301.70 MB/s (589) 299.82 MB/s (292)

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):

    Provider Location (Link) Send Speed Recv Speed Ping
    Clouvider London, UK (10G) 1.09 Gbits/sec 957 Mbits/sec 2.78 ms
    Eranium Amsterdam, NL (100G) 1.07 Gbits/sec 975 Mbits/sec 6.87 ms
    Uztelecom Tashkent, UZ (10G) busy busy 101 ms
    Leaseweb Singapore, SG (10G) 378 Mbits/sec 699 Mbits/sec 172 ms
    Clouvider Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) 276 Mbits/sec 414 Mbits/sec 130 ms
    Leaseweb NYC, NY, US (10G) 558 Mbits/sec 705 Mbits/sec 71.2 ms
    Edgoo Sao Paulo, BR (1G) 250 Mbits/sec 418 Mbits/sec 193 ms

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 577
    Multi Core | 1757
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8098596

    YABS completed in 17 min 12 sec

    i am not sure, as someone previously mentioned they were not part of the HA cluster initially. I have raised a ticket as well, but overall the performance is below average.

  • FrankCastleFrankCastle Member

    @vikiahm3d said:

    I was actually excited to after reading your messages but the quality of the hosts are nothing to be exited about.

    Here is WrodPress Benchmark - https://report.wpbenchmark.io/GNoufciT1y/

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 577
    Multi Core | 1757
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8098596

    YABS completed in 17 min 12 sec

    i am not sure, as someone previously mentioned they were not part of the HA cluster initially. I have raised a ticket as well, but overall the performance is below average.

    I think your WordPress benchmark summed it up perfectly: This is quite average score, your site should run quite well, but it will not break any speed record.

    I was the one that brought up the HA cluster details. And I can say that getting moved to the cluster isn't going to improve your performance much at all, if any.

    However, at the price point they offer what seems to be a very solid service to me. Their support is top notch (very quick to respond and very helpful). You get a very healthy bandwidth allocation. And back to performance, it isn't nearly as bad as many of the other services at this price. Will it break any speed records? Definitely not but I don't think it is very feasible to expect the fastest servers at rock bottom prices either.

  • bkjbkj Member

    I've seen deinserverhost having as competitive prices as Hetzner, don't know if it's a apples to apples comparison. But they exist.

  • CheepCluckCheepCluck Member

    @bkj said:
    I've seen deinserverhost having as competitive prices as Hetzner, don't know if it's a apples to apples comparison. But they exist.

    We all exist even if we're not competitively priced. Ask anyone at the Red Roof Inn ™

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • jenkkijenkki Member
    edited October 2024

    @Allay said: hosts at the same price point in NA?

    Oneprovider can help. Same thing, but with their own management.

  • vikiahm3dvikiahm3d Member

    P.S I wouldn't complain given i only paid for a 4core and 12GB RAM with the link you provided Not sure if that was supposed to be for cheaper hardware or something like that but personally, with this performance, i wouldn't be moving any of my clients websites given it's HA everything else. Performance > @FrankCastle said:

    @vikiahm3d said:

    I was actually excited to after reading your messages but the quality of the hosts are nothing to be exited about.

    Here is WrodPress Benchmark - https://report.wpbenchmark.io/GNoufciT1y/

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 577
    Multi Core | 1757
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8098596

    YABS completed in 17 min 12 sec

    i am not sure, as someone previously mentioned they were not part of the HA cluster initially. I have raised a ticket as well, but overall the performance is below average.

    I think your WordPress benchmark summed it up perfectly: This is quite average score, your site should run quite well, but it will not break any speed record.

    I was the one that brought up the HA cluster details. And I can say that getting moved to the cluster isn't going to improve your performance much at all, if any.

    However, at the price point they offer what seems to be a very solid service to me. Their support is top notch (very quick to respond and very helpful). You get a very healthy bandwidth allocation. And back to performance, it isn't nearly as bad as many of the other services at this price. Will it break any speed records? Definitely not but I don't think it is very feasible to expect the fastest servers at rock bottom prices either.

    Indeed and completely agree with you on the price perspective, I I can't expect fairy-lights for $6.20 a month. i was actually surprised looking at the cost. I wouldn't mind paying more for a HA service and better hardware.

    Also the VM has been provisioned in a wrong cluster; i believe, as per the YABS it's a broadwell not Xeon. I have raised a ticket and received confirmation that someone will be looking into it. will give it another go.

    Thanked by 1ryzen
  • FrankCastleFrankCastle Member

    @vikiahm3d said:

    Indeed and completely agree with you on the price perspective, I I can't expect fairy-lights for $6.20 a month. i was actually surprised looking at the cost. I wouldn't mind paying more for a HA service and better hardware.

    Also the VM has been provisioned in a wrong cluster; i believe, as per the YABS it's a broadwell not Xeon. I have raised a ticket and received confirmation that someone will be looking into it. will give it another go.

    Yeah, your location and what hardware the cluster in said location is using will definitely make a difference. I'm in New York on a Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6130 CPU @ 2.10GHz which seems a little better than whatever location/hardware you are currently on.

  • EthanZouEthanZou Member

    @sreekanth850 said:

    @WhiteRoseG said:

    @jar said:
    OVH is probably the closest in terms of UX, automation, and locations

    I compare OVH to Contabo not Hetzner, Hetzner is by far more professional.

    Its not about professionalism. Its about the reliability and ecosystem that you get with ovh (Cloud Instance) which is a must for production grade setups. I'm referring to the features like private network, object storage, block storage, hourly billing, DDoS, one click scale up etc which makes it a choice for production vs contabo or any such vps providers can be good for test and dev environment.
    We use hetzner for production environment, and Netcup for all our websites, and avoro for dev environment. Previously we was with OVH, and their servers are rock solid and never had an issue.But we felt hetzner have better price performance ratio compared to OVH and switched.

    Any updates on your experience with NetCup? Thx~

  • TzarSolomonTzarSolomon Member
    edited January 2025

    @sreekanth850 said:

    ...

    We use hetzner for production environment, and Netcup for all our websites, and avoro for dev environment....

    Hello,
    you have a very interesting selection of hosting providers, obviously you don't trust anyone 100% if you chose 3 of them? Diversification of hosting providers.

    I would also like to ask a question about NetCup, who works with it with high traffic?

    It turned out that this hosting is praised here, but read the reviews on the Internet and most of them in a negative way.

    I want to make a VPN service, there consumption will be about 30-50TB per month. This is within the limits of NetCup, but there are fears that they may not like something. Many write that the traffic is unlimited and fair use, but no one knows where the actual limits are.

    Is netcup stable and is it possible to use their servers with 500-700 gigabytes of traffic per day? Who has real experience with them?

    P.S. I just somehow can't believe that they allow traffic up to 2-3 Terabytes per day on a $10 VPS.

    Thanks.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Oopsie, I thought this is a Hetzner alternatives thread, but it turns out to actually mainly being a MassiveGrid thread ...

  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider

    You can try us, we currently have NL, Amsterdam available and probably gonna launch USA soon.

    https://cloudblast.io/

  • sreekanth850sreekanth850 Member
    edited January 2025

    @TzarSolomon said:

    @sreekanth850 said:

    ...

    We use hetzner for production environment, and Netcup for all our websites, and avoro for dev environment....

    Hello,
    you have a very interesting selection of hosting providers, obviously you don't trust anyone 100% if you chose 3 of them? Diversification of hosting providers.

    I would also like to ask a question about NetCup, who works with it with high traffic?

    It turned out that this hosting is praised here, but read the reviews on the Internet and most of them in a negative way.

    I want to make a VPN service, there consumption will be about 30-50TB per month. This is within the limits of NetCup, but there are fears that they may not like something. Many write that the traffic is unlimited and fair use, but no one knows where the actual limits are.

    Is netcup stable and is it possible to use their servers with 500-700 gigabytes of traffic per day? Who has real experience with them?

    P.S. I just somehow can't believe that they allow traffic up to 2-3 Terabytes per day on a $10 VPS.

    Thanks.

    People do something wrong and when they get caught usually they start blame game or put negative review. Only issue with netcup is their billing and the process of new account activation. I don't have any high traffic website with them, but they are rock solid with 100% uptime for last 2 year or so. I never had seen any downtime in my betterstack uptime monitory system. This is ame for hetzner and OVH too they all work well.

  • VanessaVanessa Member, Patron Provider

    If the USA location is working, check out iWebFusion
    https://www.iwebfusion.net/new-dedicatedcloseout.php @Vanessa

  • bngbng Member

    bero-hots?

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