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  • indiankeshindiankesh Member
    edited December 2024

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then. Even i don't do kyc at companies who ask crazy amount of stuff.

  • @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then..

    I was just replying to your previous message that paying via Paypal is similar to giving your ID.

  • indiankeshindiankesh Member
    edited December 2024

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then..

    I was just replying to your previous message that paying via Paypal is similar to giving your ID.

    It doesn't and i never said that it is equal to giving your ID i said if you are not OK Choose another provider.

    Thanked by 1network
  • @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then..

    I was just replying to your previous message that paying via Paypal is similar to giving your ID.

    It doesn't and i never said that it is equal to giving your ID i said if you are not OK Choose another provider.

    OK cool, I think I misread your message.

  • @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then..

    I was just replying to your previous message that paying via Paypal is similar to giving your ID.

    It doesn't and i never said that it is equal to giving your ID i said if you are not OK Choose another provider.

    Ffs, all point of kyc is accountability for illegal actions. If you host cp and interpol asks provider for customer details, including billing - they will trace you down with simple “follow the money” approach.

    If you pay with method which has no traceability than provider asks you for other documents. No one wants to be responsible for your actions.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • zGatozGato Member
    edited December 2024

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    I don't mind providers knowing my ZIP code and full name, to be honest.
    With most I use Crypto though

    It's more about sending a photo of myself with my ID on hand. Or proof of bills. You can do a lot of damage with that.

  • eb1995eb1995 Member
    edited December 2024

    @protocols said:
    So mostly people are complaining about on/offboarding.

    But other than that: any bad experience with service or support?

    Yes, I called about 3 times in a 24 hour period and it was the same guy answering. He was a brat.

    Full story:

    I got one server off them, set it up and then created another server the following day then they asked for ID. I gave them my ID and then they emailed me to say they’d follow up with a phone call. I was waiting for the call.

    Unfortunately I missed it, there was two, one from a Spanish number and one the usual, I tried returning the call and no one picked up. I then get an email saying that they tried calling me but someone foreign picked up who didn’t speak English and then suspended my account. I obviously said that’s not the truth and someone should look into it and then they told me that they cannot unsuspend my account and that it’s out of their hands and that I should find service elsewhere with another company.

    Yet I’m a fasthosts customer and to be honest I have done absolutely nothing wrong. I’m in the UK, supplied ID when requested and in return got the weirdest and most uncalled for experience I’ve had anywhere. Almost feel like it was rogue employees and they will use my ID for fraud or something.

  • Really like the price-to-performance here too, got the XS one for a few years and it's been working rock-solid, never had any downtime and the network is fast enough. Didn't get into any KYC either.

    Thanked by 1protocols
  • @eb1995 said:

    @protocols said:
    So mostly people are complaining about on/offboarding.

    But other than that: any bad experience with service or support?

    Yes, I called about 3 times in a 24 hour period and it was the same guy answering. He was a brat.

    Full story:

    I got one server off them, set it up and then created another server the following day then they asked for ID. I gave them my ID and then they emailed me to say they’d follow up with a phone call. I was waiting for the call.

    Unfortunately I missed it, there was two, one from a Spanish number and one the usual, I tried returning the call and no one picked up. I then get an email saying that they tried calling me but someone foreign picked up who didn’t speak English and then suspended my account. I obviously said that’s not the truth and someone should look into it and then they told me that they cannot unsuspend my account and that it’s out of their hands and that I should find service elsewhere with another company.

    Yet I’m a fasthosts customer and to be honest I have done absolutely nothing wrong. I’m in the UK, supplied ID when requested and in return got the weirdest and most uncalled for experience I’ve had anywhere. Almost feel like it was rogue employees and they will use my ID for fraud or something.

    To add to this, as the more I think about it the more annoying it gets, I’ve never been turned away from anything before until Ionos. And for what.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    Also, because you said its unmetered...
    It isn't, I asked an ex. IONOS employee, especially on the 1€ servers.

    Limit is flexible but I won't expect more than a few TB's per month.

    Thanked by 2lukast__ protocols
  • @Levi said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @network said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @Levi said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:

    @indiankesh said:

    @zGato said:
    their bullshit KYC is a no no for me.

    Kyc is now requested by so many providers in some or other way. To keep abusers and bad actors out companies are kind of forced to do kyc imo.

    nah not really. Working with +100 different providers and no one has asked for KYC.

    That is also a reason why companies that require KYC have competitive pricing, better (stable/reliable) infrastructure overall, as there are almost no bad actors or abusers. It's a win-win for KYC customers.

    I'm sure you removed Contabo from your list for this statement right?
    AWS/GCP/Oracle Cloud also don't require KYC ;)

    Never received a single abuse report in my life, and I'm still not going to go through KYC with any provider. I don't want my ID to end up in some shady marketplace.

    You kyc your self pretty decently when paying via credit card or sepa. Paypal also dox you pretty hard. Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Exactly people think they are invincible and untraceable.

    It's not about being untraceable, it's about sending a full photo of my passport to random companies. I don't think Paypal would send that to anyone you pay.

    Sure, choose another provider then..

    I was just replying to your previous message that paying via Paypal is similar to giving your ID.

    It doesn't and i never said that it is equal to giving your ID i said if you are not OK Choose another provider.

    Ffs, all point of kyc is accountability for illegal actions. If you host cp and interpol asks provider for customer details, including billing - they will trace you down with simple “follow the money” approach.

    If you pay with method which has no traceability than provider asks you for other documents. No one wants to be responsible for your actions.

    Woah woah woah woah Interpol haha 😄 Calm down bro 😂

  • bluesegabluesega Member
    edited December 2024

    @Neoon said:
    Also, because you said its unmetered...
    It isn't, I asked an ex. IONOS employee, especially on the 1€ servers.

    Limit is flexible but I won't expect more than a few TB's per month.

    Should be obvious. Same as on Hetzner, it's more like "we won't bother if you use up one or two TB more for a month but don't expect full throughput 24/7 cause it doesn't play with this money". To be really honest I don't know if I prefer a hard limit or this kind of stuff, but if you play along with either one it's really no dealbreaker.

  • VPS XS epic!

  • I wouldn't wish Ionos (formally 1&1) on my worst enemy. They're by far and above my #1, avoid at all costs, provider.

    Thanked by 1eb1995
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @Levi said: Unless you pay with btc for all your providers - no kyc required.

    Not relevant anymore with ongoing regulations being implemented by governments. KYCed Bitcoin is not a joke anymore.

  • srch07srch07 Member
    edited December 2024

    I won't touch IONOS, 1 & 1 and any of their product even with a footpole.

    They make cancellation so difficult and renew things at huge pricing, send you bill.

    Imagine having no card on file, no money in their wallet, they will renew all your domains (even if auto renew is off), and sending you the bill.
    And well if you don't pay, your charges are sent to debt collector.

    Update :
    Forgot to mention, they call you to keep pushing for upsell/cross-sell every 2-3 days as well.

    Thanked by 1eb1995
  • @srch07 said:
    I won't touch IONOS, 1 & 1 and any of their product even with a footpole.

    They make cancellation so difficult and renew things at huge pricing, send you bill.

    Imagine having no card on file, no money in their wallet, they will renew all your domains (even if auto renew is off), and sending you the bill.
    And well if you don't pay, your charges are sent to debt collector.

    Update :
    Forgot to mention, they call you to keep pushing for upsell/cross-sell every 2-3 days as well.

    100%.

    Then every once in awhile you'd get a random charge (card on account) that you'd have to call in and try to explain it's an error.

    If you value you're time and sanity, avoid.

  • Worse support ever seen in my life, cancelling a service is impossible, spend hours going through the process on their website and had to PHONE them to cancel and that is the only option. Even if it is at the end of the billing period. It looks like they are really forcing you to keep your contact and making your life impossible when you don’t want it anymore.

  • i am happy about the negative reports here... it keeps potential scum from signing contracts there and my 1€/month vps therefore continues to run stably with a clean ip. ;)

  • Fuck IONOS. None of my homies use IONOS.

  • :D looks like foreign customers receive better service than UK.

    Thanked by 1eb1995
  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @liutony said:
    Worse support ever seen in my life, cancelling a service is impossible, spend hours going through the process on their website and had to PHONE them to cancel and that is the only option. Even if it is at the end of the billing period. It looks like they are really forcing you to keep your contact and making your life impossible when you don’t want it anymore.

    duh, its a few clicks for me, plus they ran a promo a few months ago, got a bunch of 1€ servers with 50% off now.
    Whatever, as @hyperblast said, keep the network clean, thx bye.

    Thanked by 1protocols
  • dnnrdnnr Member
    edited December 2024

    Just try the VPS S in US and the results are kind of okay. The only downside to me it's the location, i'm from Brazil so New York area and miami have better ping.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2024-12-20                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Mon Dec 30 22:16:02 UTC 2024
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC-Milan Processor
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 1996.250 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 1.8 GiB
    Swap       : 0.0 KiB
    Disk       : 77.4 GiB
    Distro     : Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
    Kernel     : 6.8.0-51-generic
    VM Type    : MICROSOFT
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline
    
    IPv4 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : IONOS SE
    ASN        : AS8560 IONOS SE
    Host       : IONOS Inc
    Location   : Chicago, Illinois (IL)
    Country    : United States
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 80.08 MB/s   (20.0k) | 496.71 MB/s   (7.7k)
    Write      | 80.29 MB/s   (20.0k) | 499.32 MB/s   (7.8k)
    Total      | 160.37 MB/s  (40.0k) | 996.03 MB/s  (15.5k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 474.42 MB/s    (926) | 468.61 MB/s    (457)
    Write      | 499.63 MB/s    (975) | 499.82 MB/s    (488)
    Total      | 974.05 MB/s   (1.9k) | 968.43 MB/s    (945)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 1.71 Gbits/sec  | 1.49 Gbits/sec  | 100 ms
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 1.69 Gbits/sec  | 1.99 Gbits/sec  | 102 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 847 Mbits/sec   | 954 Mbits/sec   | 191 ms
    Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 681 Mbits/sec   | 982 Mbits/sec   | 221 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 1.80 Gbits/sec  | 3.01 Gbits/sec  | 57.1 ms
    Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 1.77 Gbits/sec  | 3.07 Gbits/sec  | 29.3 ms
    Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 1.08 Gbits/sec  | 1.46 Gbits/sec  | 146 ms
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1399
    Multi Core      | 2361
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9692530
    
    YABS completed in 11 min 58 sec
    
    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • edited January 2025

    Just wanted to chime in with regards to cancellation.

    I bought the XS VPS about a year ago with a 1 year commitment. Figured I didn't want to renew about 1 month in, so initiated a cancellation. Like others mentioned they offered 50% off if you extended the contract to now + 1 year (so I'd be in 11 months).

    I'm about 2 months away from the contract expiring so submitted another cancellation, and now they offer you 75% off.

    Not sure if this is a new rate or a second-level cancel offer, but this would end up being a $6/year VPS (for subsequent year) with an IPv4 and a hefty amount of traffic and performance. I've definitely pushed ~5TB egress some months and had no complaints.

    Thanked by 1protocols
  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @CyberneticTitan said:
    Just wanted to chime in with regards to cancellation.

    I bought the XS VPS about a year ago with a 1 year commitment. Figured I didn't want to renew about 1 month in, so initiated a cancellation. Like others mentioned they offered 50% off if you extended the contract to now + 1 year (so I'd be in 11 months).

    I'm about 2 months away from the contract expiring so submitted another cancellation, and now they offer you 75% off.

    Wat... no way.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    I just checked, they offer you 75% off, that 1€ if you sign a contract for the next 24 months.

  • edited January 2025

    @Neoon said:

    @CyberneticTitan said:
    Just wanted to chime in with regards to cancellation.

    I bought the XS VPS about a year ago with a 1 year commitment. Figured I didn't want to renew about 1 month in, so initiated a cancellation. Like others mentioned they offered 50% off if you extended the contract to now + 1 year (so I'd be in 11 months).

    I'm about 2 months away from the contract expiring so submitted another cancellation, and now they offer you 75% off.

    Wat... no way.

    Yeah, it's real.

    Then once you click the button:

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    Anybody wants to price match a 0.25€/m 1GB KVM?

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  • I remember trying to buy a domain with them, tried to register a (6 digit).cloud domain (it was for my nextcloud server) with paypal but it got placed on hold? called them up twice to explain why my domain wasn't process through but ig they were sus about the domain and closed my account. Weird

  • fanfan Veteran

    @Neoon said: Duh, my 1€ VPS cost me 0.50€/m, unbeatable true.

    I got all of their locations, solid for me.

    How?

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