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Why can't it be public?
Sure. But how do you anticipate it working? What if either parties screw up? Whay if provider does not respond on time?
How will having a mod help?
Do you want to see yourself on that list, if 1 mistake happens?
Sure. Why not.
Commission for transaction verification and transfer, as it is done in many places. In general, to make it easier, you can do it through cryptocurrencies. The one who moves the server initiates a transfer request and sends all the supporting information to the moderator. The moderator receives payment in advance from the user who wants to receive the service, and then releases this transfer to the person who moves the service. This is implemented on cryptocurrency exchanges and in logistics and in many places, and there are annual mechanisms on cryptocurrencies for any service. If necessary, the same is done with standard payments, but the bad thing is that constant transfers through payment questions can cause account blocking, as in the case of PayPal, there are no such problems with cryptocurrencies. Well, everyone trusts the forum administration here and there are no problems with them disappearing.
it should be like this, the translation of the service is done initially, and only then the moderator makes the payment to this user. And the forum moderator acts as a guarantor that the money that one user must pay for the service will definitely reach. And one has a guarantee that he will definitely receive the service, and the other that he will receive payment for it without any fear of fraud on the forum.
Also, such mechanisms are made directly in the smart contract that it will not be necessary to even manually transfer funds to the user. You can set up and specify the payment details and the entire amount will go automatically. And the moderator, in order to reduce his time, will only need to make sure that the transfer service has been received by the user, press one button and the money has gone.
At the same time, if a smart contract is written, even the forum administrator will not be able to do anything - i.e. withdraw funds somewhere, they will go only to their intended destination automatically. But such a service would be successful and opens up additional opportunities for the forum - as in many webmaster forums and others with server equipment, when there are built-in branches for sales and transfers between users of their services, and the administration receives a commission for this. You can implement it or leave it as is, if it is difficult to do this.
Essentially escrow.
Sure go for it and suggest it to the mods. May the let overlords fulfill your wishes
And what if the moderator goes kaput,?
Don't forget this is LET. Anything can happen.
I am surprised that even experienced users like @dev_vps can be deceived by members of this forum and do it so directly without fear. I hope dev_vps you can return the money. But I am increasingly convinced that you need to be very careful when receiving transfers from users, and here the risks are greater than when you buy a server directly from a provider.
This was the first time out of many successful server transfer transactions and a $11 lesson.
ok there should be more than one such person - 2-3 people. I have implemented mechanisms like the one I am describing more than once, so I know exactly what I am talking about
if this were my forum, I would implement many things that I have written about many times and would implement them in a week. The proposal that the forum administration can improve if they consider it necessary and I wrote here publicly, and they can always think whether it is worth doing or not.
It's good that the amount is small, but it shows that even with a lot of experience - at least once, but they can deceive. I also translated many services on the forum, but so far I have not encountered such. But after such a case, I will still be more careful.
Start your own forum. No one is stopping you.
Regardless the point i am trying to make is you can never guarantee 💯 success. There will be some points of failures especially in such low $$ based transaction. It's just too much effort. Sometimes it may be practical to absorb the loss and move on.
Another solution is to have a public list of known scammers. Someone like mods could confirm and maintain.
I have seen several of these on reddit. That may reduce the noise by a long shot.
Plus age of the accounts matter only a small weight. So that should not always be used as a measure for success.
I am currently doing exactly this, creating my own forum, after I saw the need for some things here on the forum and used the experience of viewing other forums. And I want to implement more modern technologies and digitalization, interaction through cryptocurrencies and the use of web 3.0 technologies. I think in a month and a half I will finish my work and then we will launch our project.
Woah what’s with that language! Dude went 0-100 real quick. Glad he’s banned
Well yes, your proposal with a public list of known scammers is the simplest solution, and in any case will reduce the percentage of possible fraud.
Yes, such people should only be banned, and of course punished if possible. But of course, even losing a small amount and enduring such words from such people is certainly not pleasant.
Maybe @labze can force the transfer if the accounts of both parties are identified, as an exceptional case. Unlikely, $11 will be refunded since it’s F&F, so at least he’ll get the server. It shouldn’t be like anyone can scam any LET member and get away with it by getting banned.
I won’t recommend such a thing.
Server transfer must be initiated by the owner through a service ticket or portal.
Stop. @labze has nothing to do with it nor he can do anything. Don't mention things like that - you are literally asking him to broke the law / steal.
It is unlikely because this user most likely did not conduct direct correspondence with @labze here on the forum. And accordingly also used different emails for registration here and for purchasing servers. Here it is generally clear that most likely this is a professional scammer who wanted to go in to make a good offer and collect a lot of transfers from many users using personal correspondence. And it is good that he immediately came across an experienced user on his way, who quickly reacted and made such an issue public. Well, according to the platform's policy and rules, even in the event of fraud, the platform cannot withdraw funds from one user and transfer them to another, even if they can identify him, since this usually requires a decision from the competent authorities and the relevant paper.
Especially when you could simply buy nat 1c1g 2TB germany from hostbrr for 5/mo.
Not really. We now hear only one side of the story because of the ban. OP said vps is transferred, @dev_vps said it's not.
Right as @mcs mentioned, offer a escrow service with a small transfer fee for the middleman. It's completely optional and the receiver can decide if they wanna opt for this service or not, it's for their own safety, so it's completely upto them if they wanna pay a small fee for the same.
There's one another thing, keep the service provider themselves as a middleman, not sure if all would comply, but that would be one of the biggest changes in-terms of safe transfer of services.
Receiver should create a ticket mentioning about the transfer and the provider will acknowledge the same with the owner of the account. Receiver transfers the money to the seller and provides proof in the same ticket. So if in-case of any foul play i.e, the owner goes rogue, the provider has enough evidence to force the transfer to the receiver's account. The same as the escrow service, the provider can charge a small fee and this is optional as well and completely upto the receiver if they wanna opt-in or not.
There's no need to exaggerate. What you're saying is very unlikely. If you check his posting history, you'll notice that he offered, sold, traded, or whatever- a lot of stuff on LET over the past ten years.
If anything, he's rude and immature. Maybe he really did need more time to back up everything for some reason, but that doesn't justify his behavior. In any case, things got nasty, and that's entirely on him.
@dev_vps Since you didn't use F&F can't you initiate a chargeback?
yes ... I can and I will .... after 10 days of payment date and include documentary evidence .... one of my close family member is a lawyer
This looks like rsync session and kind of shows OP was already transferring data out for at least ±5 hours and if he was honest about 0.3/1.6TB transferred, he still needed around 22+ hours of non-stop transfer. And @dev_vps made it all public around the same time.
So it's basically a "two donkeys having a fight on a narrow road" situation, one rude and one impatient. Zero pity for any of two, but I'd say unban the OP, let them sort it out like adults, then ban him back lol. OP's message history might be an evidence that he was initially acting in good faith.