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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!

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  • @FlorinMarian vs @Calin who gonna win??

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited September 2024

    @FAT32 --- What is your opinion of all this? Will you accept iHostArt offers for the Black Friday megathread?

    Thanked by 2yoursunny 10thHouse
  • TerranodeTerranode Member, Host Rep

    @layer7 said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Given the client considers this resolved, @Calin shall have his provider tag back.

    Hi,

    completely independent of this incident here and if who ever did something right or wrong or what ever:

    isnt the provider tag (also) supposed to be a sign of trustworthiness? I mean the provider tag is ( as far as i understood it ) some kind of certification from the forum to show that a specific user runs a legit business and this way can be trusted to actually deliver services for paid money.

    We have here now a story where the provider aswell as the customer agreed on the fact that money was paid but no service delivered and so far, no refund occurred.

    I assume based on this fact the provider tag was removed ( pure guess / speculation from my side ).

    Based on what logic would you say that a member of the forum should receive back the provider tag if the root cause why the member lost the provider tag is still unchanged?

    From my point of view, the provider tag shall give the visitors of this forum some kind of trust into the forum and its users including the providers.

    Would the forum not hurt its own reputation and goal to filter providers who are obviously unable to comply with the simple rule paid money == received service if it would grant back a provider tag while the root cause of why it was removed is still open / unsolved?

    Should the fact that the complainer gave up on the money ( not because he admitted he was wrong, but ( i guess ) simply because he does not see a realistic chance to get back his money ) allow the provider tag to be reinstated?

    If someone took away something from you and you know/assume that you wont get it back means that nothing happend? All ok?

    Again, thats a general understanding question from my side , since i do not understand your logic in this case.

    I tend to be more active in Spanish-speaking forums, which is my native language, and there we have a "provider not recommended" label for people who scam, clearly the context of the problem is put first and the community and administrators make votes to consider If after all the tests the user is listed as not recommended... it would be good if something like this was implemented here so that these cases do not occur again.

  • @Terranode said:

    and there we have a "provider not recommended" label for people who scam, clearly the context of the problem is put first and the community and administrators make votes to consider If after all the tests the user is listed as not recommended... it would be good if something like this was implemented here so that these cases do not occur again.

    $200 bilohbucks on "never gonna happen"

    also "putting the community first" left the building a long time ago...

  • @Levi said:

    @bytheWay said:

    Finally, can you please stop pretending that there are any authorities involved? We haven't even seen proof that the bank froze anything and you are here talking of imaginary authorities.

    As I’ve commented before: I don’t believe anything he says, not even the story about the funds being frozen, it’s likely fabricated.
    He claims he will provide proof to the Mod, a cunning move to make people think that what he says is verified. And I believe even the Mod doesn’t know anything more than some screenshots with documents that anyone could easily fake.

    Plus, mods and admins just does not care, since scammer still not banned.

    yep, giving warns and do nothing about rat.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited September 2024

    @sasslik said:

    @Levi said:

    Plus, mods and admins just does not care, since scammer still not banned.

    yep, giving warns and do nothing about rat.

    Moderators are volunteers. They do not get paid. They do not pull the important strings, but only make sure conversations are closed, warnings are issues against rule violations, and bans are issued in very serious scenarios (not against providers, because they pay).

    Administrators are the ones who control the forum. jbiloh is the number 1 administrator who also manages the money of provider tags.

    When someone pays for something, that someone has different rights because of legal payments. This is why I also believe the provider tag will be restored, as the case is considered closed by both parties involved. Everything will continue as usual as a result of money.

  • Calin's irresponsibility leads to a client loss of $20k plus. Client says he found Calin on LET. There are countless threads of problems with this provider over a long period of time.

    At what point is it enablement?

  • @Calin +1 - competitors are afraid of him; I can see it now.

  • Bottom line is, even if the bank actually blocked any transfers, Calin promised a full refund if anything went wrong. He neither provided a service nor refunded more than 10% of the total sum. Clearly, this does meet the criteria of misleading customers and honestly, I am surprised that Calin got to keep his provider tag after the first incident of this kind.

    Returning his provider tag now equals encouraging his behaviour and would probably result in yet another thread in just a couple of months. Not that my opinion matters, but I would put Calin on at least 6-12 months probation and then evaluate returning anything.

    Thanked by 2techdragon Terranode
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited September 2024

    @default said:
    @FAT32 --- What is your opinion of all this? Will you accept iHostArt offers for the Black Friday megathread?

    For me it is quite simple, if the person doesn't have a Patron Provider/Host Rep tag, or isn't specifically invited by us, then they won't be allowed to participate

  • @EndlessGravity said: Calin promised a full refund

    I don't followed up entire dispute but @Calin did sign any agreement where he will do refund the entire sum ?

  • @zmeu said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Calin promised a full refund

    I don't followed up entire dispute but @Calin did sign any agreement where he will do refund the entire sum ?

    Section 5 in terms of service (translated using Firefox - sorry to Romanians if "traduttore traditore").

    c) We offer the money back within 7 days to VPS only for a well-founded reason
    
    d) We offer the money back within 5 days to Dedicated only for a well-founded reason
    
    e) We do not offer the money back to IPs, (you can allocate up to a maximum of 4 IPv4 per VPS / Dedicated)
    

    No service was provided, so according to terms refund is justified.

  • zmeuzmeu Member
    edited September 2024

    Yes - but there was any invoice involved between them? A custom order can fit on Section 5 in Terms of Service?

    Edit: #4014994

  • @zmeu said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Calin promised a full refund

    I don't followed up entire dispute but @Calin did sign any agreement where he will do refund the entire sum ?

    This kind of argumentation is scammer rhetoric. Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

  • @EndlessGravity not all people do know English; also I don't think anyone are forced to learn it since is a Romanian hosting provider; as I stated before for N times, a lawyer was enough.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @EndlessGravity said: Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

    That's not even a verbal agreement. That's in writing.

  • @emgh said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

    That's not even a verbal agreement. That's in writing.

    We need some mental gymnastics to bypass the writing too, for the sake of upholding the counter narrative.

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  • @emgh all parties have signed with their finger. :lol:

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @default said:

    @emgh said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

    That's not even a verbal agreement. That's in writing.

    We need some mental gymnastics to bypass the writing too, for the sake of upholding the counter narrative.

    Sure, I'll go.

    He said refund if wallet is bad boy.

    But the bad boy was the bank.

    Hence, no refund.

    Reguards

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @zmeu said:
    @emgh all parties have signed with their finger. :lol:

    Sounds intimate

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  • @emgh said: Sounds intimate

    metoo

  • techdragontechdragon Member
    edited September 2024

    @host_c said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Does someone know what the relation between @host_c and @Calin is? I just compared the WHOIS of AS211462 and AS215740 and found some interesting clues.

    @EndlessGravity

    Now I'm interested in the conspiracy theory you have, please, go on, enlighten us all here. :) for the sake of the popcorn show.

    But before you do that, I am still puzzled by my initial question, 3 pages back, how did you find the on-chain wallet for the transactions in question?

    EDIT:

    Here, I make the ASN easier for you, as you are reading this forum for the past 4 years:

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/191430/ihostart-today-its-my-birthday-finally-im-have-18-years-old-giveaway-free-18-tb-hdd-vps#latest

    Let us not forget that a minor was allowed to sell goods / services and enter into contracts with adults.

    The jokes continue.

  • @zmeu said:

    @emgh said: Sounds intimate

    metoo

    Bad boys, intimate things, fingers... maybe you guys should get a private room in @Calin datacenter. Hopefully it is not too expensive and he does not ask for payment in cryptocurrency.

    Thanked by 2emgh zmeu
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @default said: Bad boys, intimate things, fingers

    @ehab

  • zmeuzmeu Member
    edited September 2024

    @techdragon said: Let us not forget that a minor was allowed to sell goods / services and enter into contracts with adults.
    The jokes continue.

    Parents?

    :lol:

  • techdragontechdragon Member
    edited September 2024

    @zmeu said:

    @techdragon said: Let us not forget that a minor was allowed to sell goods / services and enter into contracts with adults.
    The jokes continue.

    Parents?

    No. Calin, himself. Everyone on this forum knew it too. They also knew he was using his mother's business registration sometimes to set up merchant accounts etc.

    I think you've tagged the wrong host, also....

    You can't enter into a contract with a minor or enforce it. I don't know how he was granted a provider tag before he turned eighteen but it's there for everyone to see.

    Thanked by 1zmeu
  • @techdragon said: I think you've tagged the wrong host, also....

    I've read a long time ago something similar not sure if it was true

  • Calin did not give a timeframe for a refund :#

    Thanked by 2zmeu yoursunny
  • @emgh said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

    That's not even a verbal agreement. That's in writing.

    Average @emgh comment.

    @Falzo said:

    @Terranode said:

    and there we have a "provider not recommended" label for people who scam, clearly the context of the problem is put first and the community and administrators make votes to consider If after all the tests the user is listed as not recommended... it would be good if something like this was implemented here so that these cases do not occur again.

    $200 bilohbucks on "never gonna happen"

    also "putting the community first" left the building a long time ago...

    This isn't a community. This is an advertising platform for hosting providers.

    One top provider literally exit scammed, another sold his brand to someone extremely sketchy and tried to keep it a secret to bankroll his new domain registrar. Both still have their tags.

    Admins/mods don't give a fuck about the community. That's just the truth. They only care about protecting the business interests of this brand and keeping things rolling with as minimal effort as possible. Once you understand that, things start making a lot more sense.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

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