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@dataforest while i can pretty much understand your frustration with people throwing around stuff like scam and fraud or not knowing the difference between an opinion and a statement at least to me you come across as maximally unlikable and undiplomatic to the point that i'd assume that working with you is only possible as long as exactly zero problems arise.
I think everyone following this thread got that you are 100% convinced that the use of the term dedicated for resources, which in fact aren't, is clear as day and safely not going to give a misleading impression to potential clients (mostly substantiated by citing similar usage by a handful competitors) and if that's your opinion it's fine (i think last time i've checked one of your brands even outright claimed that VMs would be fully unaffected by their neighbors, which to me seems to be pretty contrary to what has been discussed in this thread - also safely not going to give a wrong impression?). There's one thing the whole topic sure isn't though and that's: clear cut. Acting like it would be is not going to reflect positively but then i guess it might be due to LET not being your target audience and you feeling that it simply doesn't matter how you conduct yourself, i seriously don't know.
So which one is garbage only avoro or php friends also?
That is also wrong, there are many people who report problems to us every day and they are resolved. There are problems everywhere and they are usually solved within minutes (if possible). On the other hand, this thread is absolutely (!) unmoderated and moderators even end up making fun of it. Of course the OP doesn't write anything here anymore either, could be positive towards us, the account was only created to talk bad about us.
You probably haven't followed the thread completely, but you have your opinion and point of view and we have ours. If you need pinned cores, there have also been some bad advertising attempts here by competitors (who couldn't keep up with us in terms of price or performance)
We have recognized our mistakes (which we have made) and are working on them, everything else (such as statements that we would deploy VPS and root servers on the same systems, despite the fact that root servers are more expensive) is just shit talking that is not moderated here. Incidentally, we have received a lot of encouragement from LET members who have been very satisfied customers for a very long time, who can't understand this and some of whom have also gotten upset about the thread not being moderated. But the LET team doesn't accept any suggestions for improvement any more than a deadpool provider who makes off with the money at the end.
If people spread untruths about you in large quantities, you would certainly react differently
And that is exactly the reason why false statements can cause impact. Neither is "garbage", the OP's problem was solved shortly after he reported it, but the OP has a personal hatred for us. Despite this, the refunds were made and that's it.
None of our systems are running at full load, all systems have enough power available and are no longer filled when the corresponding limits are reached. Unlike many others, however, we do not fake steal time, so you do not have to worry that the performance will suddenly drop by 50% without you noticing (which would be false advertisement) and you only notice it if you benchmark the CPU regularly
Whether you want that is up to you. In any case, it wouldn't be for us, but it would probably be in line with the market.
If you would have followed the discussion around the topic you'd have noticed that pinned cores are just a tiny part of a possible solution but that alone still likely doesn't guarantee any kind actual exclusivity whatsoever.
I think last time i've checked one of your brands even outright claimed that VMs would be fully unaffected by their neighbors. Still no chance that might give a wrong impression to a potential client? Well, there's no point in discussing with a brick wall but after everything i've read around the topic i've come to the conclusion that even just technically such a claim simply can't be true.
That's pretty much a major part of why i'm so put off. I'm talking to you, not your competitors. Whatever they do or don't doesn't change anything in relation to you.
Yeah, some stuff is obvious garbage and also pretty bad style in my opinion. There'll always be idiots. Still a top down approach of moderating them away sadly pretty much matches the impression i've gotten so far.
Really? Where? I might have missed something but given LET hardly ever gets moderated to begin with it seems quite odd. That's basically what LET is: A largely unmoderated message board. Complaining about that is about as impactful as pissing in the ocean.
Yeah, the LET has been around for a bit and is not going to give you special treatment. The tragedy... Seriously, do you realize how much hurt ego drips from those sentences?
Maybe LET simply isn't the place for you. Just saying.
VDS is just VPS with unmetered cpu usage with vendor watching to keep host node overall usage within limits.
If everyone (or most) on that node start using dedicated cores, provider will move some of the VPS to another node to keep cpu resource availability at that optimum level
exceptions are vendors like @crunchbits @Advin and few others.
Alright, who was bored enough to revive this thread with shitposting?
^this. Common practice, and probably with like 95% of providers. Crazy how some people here are so out of touch with reality at this price point.
Personally, I don't see an issue with it. Been a customer for years, had both "dedicated" and non-dedicated VPS from both brands, and never noticed any steal on my server, no matter the load. And that's what matters to me. What happens in the background doesn't really bother me.
I could understand the OP if there was no refund or if the resources weren't available after a certain grace period. But neither of those things happened.
what remains to be proven under the load of 453 vds! so far, these are only theoretical promises, right?
Sure, as long as the calculation adds up it's really not much of a concern to the customer but as shown this can't be taken for granted. Further discussion here and in other threads also showed that effective isolation of the different VMs is flimsy at best (caches, busses, hyperthreading, RAM, ...) and at least certain CPUs react very negatively once loaded beyond a certain level, so making promises in regards to actual performance is wishful thinking at best. It's really unmetered best effort resources and what customers get in the end depends largely on the amount of effort made by the provider and the profit margin being aimed for. There's really nothing dedicated there.
Well, it does not seem like OP ever got the ordered VMs in working condition. How much grace period should be allowed on an order, which is really just what's on offer? OP didn't order anything custom. I'm not talking about the numbers here (i can see how supplying 100s of VMs might take a bit of time) but about the steal. Sure, there is a good chance that it couldn't have been made to work without massive loss to the provider as in the end it's simply not 100s of independent systems but one big shared resource, which can bottleneck if certain parts are pushed too hard on a broad scale but that's actually pretty much the core of the problem: A shared resource sold as dedicated. As long as it's virtually indistinguishable, well, OK but once it causes problems those belong to the party doing the label switching.
As for a refund: I really don't see much of an actual willingness to provide it. Sure, in the end it seems to have been done but at least from my perspective this seems to largely be the result of external pressure. If there would have been the realization early on that OP's usage simply won't work with this kind of calculation combined with a sincere sorry since OP couldn't have known that from the information he was given and a swift refund this whole situation probably could have been avoided.
I know that this is a necropost, but I thought it might be interesting for some: @dataforest removed "dedicated" from the product description (Old: https://web.archive.org/web/20240318080736/https://avoro.eu/en/rootserver; Now: https://avoro.eu/en/rootserver).
Thank you for pointing this out, it will of course be corrected and is still so in our products. However, due to a rework of the website, this is no longer queried via the API (for performance reasons).
Very good looking website
But I gotta say I hate the hovering effects
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Well, i ordered an business dedicated server from them and i am waiting atm, i believe this is a good company.
I also have about 10 virtual servers running on full load sometimes, no issues at all. My use case is definetely not crypto.
They recommend getting an dedi server for heavy load, but the issue that the dedis offer is expensiver than many providers comparewise.
I can understand the standpoint from dataforest, someone order 400 VPS at once and want to run 100% load for suspected crypto mining suddenly, they have no time to prepare everything, no wonder that its not going to work.
Hetzner have banned crypto mining on their servers and also monitors the network for crypto nodes. Its said in their ToS.
There servers running great, they recently changed the bandwidth rules now it's only 20tb allowed that's only bad thing.
I saw this post last month, but when I needed a dedicated server in Germany I still bought it from DataForest and all in all it was an okay experience.
I think they are professional enough.
For a couple hundred VPS they don't have a large enough amount of resource redundancy as Hetzner does, and I think it would be more correct to talk to the merchant to make sure of their delivery and delivery levels before purchasing such an amount of machines.
All German providers do use Proxmox as the virtualisation allow to memory ballooning, so allow to oversell all server resources. If the nodes are monitored properly so they will be able to suspend users who using slightly above light users!
Every virtualization hypervisor allows memory ballooning, every provider uses virtualization to create VPSes.
Proxmox has nothing do to with it.
And by the way 100% VPSes are oversold at every single provider. Some providers have VDS options that arent oversold, but VPSes always are. This is why you can get solid specs at lowest price, because they can give you 3x better specs if they calculate that people on average use only 30% of what they have.