Avoid Avoro.eu, php-friends, and dataforest oversold root servers and fraudsters

dataforest

@Gulf said:

@lukast__ said:
Is that (and the new DDoS protection) a paid addon or is it included by default?
I'm in any case looking forward to the new vServer's at PHP-Friends.

Included by default. I would pay 1 euro on top to disable it

Looking at the ticket conversation, they disabled it, then enabled again. Again had to contact support. Then lost interest.

Thats free

@lukast__ said:

@Gulf said:

@lukast__ said:
Is that (and the new DDoS protection) a paid addon or is it included by default?
I'm in any case looking forward to the new vServer's at PHP-Friends.

Included by default. I would pay 1 euro on top to disable it

Looking at the ticket conversation, they disabled it, then enabled again. Again had to contact support. Then lost interest.

I thought you were speaking of the old solution?

yes he speaks about the old solution

@Gulf said:

@dataforest said:
In addition, the customer can activate/deactivate DDoS protection in our interface at any time, so that the respective customer can always decide for themselves what they want or don't want.

Can you show where exactly in the UI the user can disable it?

DDoS-Manager, you used the old solution, there is no "Manager" where you can set it. Migration to our new solution started a few months ago.

Gulf

@dataforest said:
I found the ticket. We deactivated the auto-mitigation for your servers (which you "forgot" in your accusations)

But you confirm right, that I had to ask you twice to disable this anti-ddos?
It was not that you disabled it immediately

dataforest

@Gulf said:

@dataforest said:
I found the ticket. We deactivated the auto-mitigation for your servers (which you "forgot" in your accusations)

But you confirm right, that I had to ask you twice to disable this anti-ddos?
It was not that you disabled it immediately

Well, our servers are DDoS protected, if you want it to be permanently deactivated (i.e. not automatically activated!), so you don't need DDoS protection, then you have to let us know, which we did after your last request and also communicated.

But as I said, this is not a support thread, if you have any questions, please contact our support directly, we will get back to this thread as soon as the Paypal cases are closed.

Gulf

@dataforest said:
Well, our servers are DDoS protected, if you want it to be permanently deactivated (i.e. not automatically activated!), so you don't need DDoS protection, then you have to let us know, which we did after your last request and also communicated.

I just mean that your accusation was not correct because I had to contact you twice.

So you lie that I contacted once and you solved the problem. The problem persisted.

CherryServers

@totally_not_banned said:

@suyadi92 said:
Bump!
Bump!
Is this the end of the drama?

It probably is. @CherryServers hasn't come through with the $11/y unmetered APAC VPS promo they promised us though, which i feel is outrageous.

Maybe one day I really don't think the LE* crowd would enjoy our offers, but it'd be fun to do a yearly deal in APAC once our network upgrades are complete and we have a few more upstreams added. We're aiming to have this completed in a few months, and will end up with a blend of Datapacket/CDN77, PCCW, Lumen, and GSL in Singapore.

hyperblast

@Gulf said:
I already dropped these servers; it was 5 months ago, bought 9 servers on Black Friday.

This problem occurred on every server. It randomly turns off the network for 30 minutes and then releases. Or you need to contact support to remove mitigation.

So I think the OP has not reached this problem
Luckily flee with refund. On 300 vps this would be insane.

why are you coming around with this story 5 months after you stopped using eid server? are you up to something malicious?

Gulf

@hyperblast said:
why are you coming around with this story 5 months after you stopped using eid server? are you up to something malicious?

Just remembered. I did not need this kind of anti-ddos, it was not advertised on the promo page.

But in reality they are protecting the Internet from you. And they do it false positively, making it impossible to use the server.

totally_not_banned

@CherryServers said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@suyadi92 said:
Bump!
Bump!
Is this the end of the drama?

It probably is. @CherryServers hasn't come through with the $11/y unmetered APAC VPS promo they promised us though, which i feel is outrageous.

Maybe one day I really don't think the LE* crowd would enjoy our offers, but it'd be fun to do a yearly deal in APAC once our network upgrades are complete and we have a few more upstreams added. We're aiming to have this completed in a few months, and will end up with a blend of Datapacket/CDN77, PCCW, Lumen, and GSL in Singapore.

Hehehe, yeah, it's not that easy to please LET. People are way too premium around here but in the end it's really easy. All you'd need to do is prepare a deal that pushes you on the edge of bankruptcy and when you think about it all of this makes a lot of sense. On one hand you'll collect some of the most bitchy clients possible while all the effort required to stay afloat will be a great learning experience. I think it's totally win-win and a great opportunity, which you shouldn't skip on.

Gulf

FYI in addition to scam, this company also sends debt collectors

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3090351/#Comment_3090351

lukast__

@Gulf said:
FYI in addition to scam, this company also sends debt collects

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3090351/#Comment_3090351

When you don't like this, don't do a contract with them - that's perfectly normal, agreed upon and in the TOS.
And this has been discussed numerous times and has got nothing to do with this thread.
FYI: that's only for PHP-Friends, Avoro is prepaid.

Gulf

@lukast__ said:
FYI: that's only for PHP-Friends, Avoro is prepaid.

Look at the title Avoid Avoro.eu, php-friends,

I do not understand why you defend these scammers. Ok, your reasons.

I just want to warn other LET users who are used to cancelling by nonpayment.

FatGrizzly

@Gulf said: I just want to warn other LET users who are used to cancelling by nonpayment.

I'm sure people are aware. Always deal with caution with contracted-purchases.

lukast__

@Gulf said: Look at the title Avoid Avoro.eu, php-friends,

Yes, and ... ? (BTW, OP only rented servers from Avoro, PHP-Friends' servers are according to @dataforest running on different physical nodes.)

@Gulf said: I just want to warn other LET users who are used to cancelling by nonpayment.

That's fine. I just wanted to say it isn't something unexpected or uncommon.

Gulf

@FatGrizzly said:
I'm sure people are aware. Always deal with caution with contracted-purchases.

In theory, it sounds good, but it's always the same story.
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3742742/#Comment_3742742

lukast__

@Gulf said: it's always the same story.

Someone assumes they can cancel by not paying, but they had signed a contract, didn't read the conditions and now have to honor the contract and pay and complain about it. In PHP-Friends' TOS is clear to read:

Soweit dort keine anderweitigen Vereinbarungen getroffen werden, verlängert sich der Vertrag um die jeweilige Laufzeit, wenn er nicht 2 Wochen vor Ablauf der gewählten Vertragslaufzeit gekündigt wird.

which translates to:

Unless otherwise agreed, the contract will be extended by the respective term if it is not terminated 2 weeks before the end of the selected contract term.

Gulf

@lukast__ said:
Yes, and ... ? (BTW, OP only rented servers from Avoro, PHP-Friends' servers are according to @dataforest running on different physical nodes.)

isn't it the same scam on phpfriends site?
https://php-friends.de/vserver-ssd

The same dedicated cores for 10 euro.

lukast__

@Gulf said:

@lukast__ said:
Yes, and ... ? (BTW, OP only rented servers from Avoro, PHP-Friends' servers are according to @dataforest running on different physical nodes.)

isn't it the same scam on phpfriends site?
https://php-friends.de/vserver-ssd

The same dedicated cores for 10 euro.

Nope. PHP-Friends has the old servers and @dataforest says since February that the new servers will soon™ come to PHP-Friends.
PHP-Friends' current server have less cores (Avoro 9€/Month 4 cores, PHP-Friends 2 cores), older CPUs and slower disks (local instead of CEPH).

And your constant usage of 'scam' is a bit irritating.

Gulf

@lukast__ said:
Nope. PHP-Friends has the old servers and @dataforest says since February that the new servers will soon™ come to PHP-Friends.

Are you sure php friends sell dedicated cores for 4.5 euro per core?

n1njax

@hyperblast said:
why are you coming around with this story 5 months after you stopped using eid server? are you up to something malicious?

I have the same question.

In you prev comments you said you canceled your 9 servers months ago and got refunded, but you are planning to buy more next BF?

Now you’re saying they’re coming after you?

Are you the OP? 🤷‍♂️

lukast__

@Gulf said:

@lukast__ said:
Nope. PHP-Friends has the old servers and @dataforest says since February that the new servers will soon™ come to PHP-Friends.

Are you sure php friends sell dedicated cores for 4.5 euro per core?

What do you mean? 9€/2 ≈ 4.5€ and their definition/understanding of dedicated cores is known.

Gulf

@lukast__ said:
And your constant usage of 'scam' is a bit irritating.

Word fraud would be more suitable for you?

They try to mislead people on php friends site.

They write
AMD EPYC 7452
2 dedizierte Kerne

7452 has 32 cores

Their website does not specify the meaning of core anywhere. They might be providing threads.

Hetz explains here the meaning of vCPU (they do not call it core)
https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/servers/faq/

So, by listing the processor name followed by the number of cores, they are trying to mislead buyers with this kind of advertising.

Gulf

@n1njax said:
Are you the OP? 🤷‍♂️

You are completely confused, I am a different buyer
I did not refund.

lukast__

@Gulf said:
They might be providing threads.

I'm sure you could ask them if you really are interested in this.

And first you have this assumption, then you go directly to a conclusion (next quote) based entirely on your assumption.

So, by listing the processor name followed by the number of cores, they are trying to mislead buyers with this kind of advertising.

Wouldn't say so. Buyer gets nearly no steal and can use the CPU 100% 24/7 if he wants to.

n1njax

@Gulf said:

@n1njax said:
Are you the OP? 🤷‍♂️

You are completely confused, I am a different buyer
I did not refund.

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3966817#Comment_3966817

Gulf

@n1njax said:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3966817#Comment_3966817

I meant OP fled with a refund. I did not ask.

Gulf

@lukast__ said:
nearly

So even, even on php friends it is not dedicated

And first you have this assumption, then you go directly to a conclusion

People share their opinions on the forum. Informally.
I shared mine. They can prove the opposite - so it would be good to consider this company for future orders.

Gulf

Nope, I won't buy the next BF

Avoro closed my account for criticism.

@dataforest
Why did you close my account? What kind of rule in your TSO did I violate?

I shared a ticket with you as you requested.

lukast__

@Gulf said: So even, even on php friends is not dedicated

A bit steal is unavoidable:

@labze said: But that is not all, even if a provider pinned each vCore they would not be truly dedicated. The host node itself has to use quite a significant amount of resources for manage the virtualization, IO read/write require CPU threads, networking does and so forth. Even a system with only 70% CPU utilization by the VMs can cause steal due to these factors.

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@Gulf said: opinions

But this:

So, by listing the processor name followed by the number of cores, they are trying to mislead buyers with this kind of advertising.

is not an opinion but a claim.

And BTW, I'm planning to rent a virtual server from them and this thread changed absolutely nothing about that.

n1njax

And BTW, I'm planning to rent a virtual server from them and this thread changed absolutely nothing about that.

Well i wasnt planning on buying more vms but now i wanna check out avoro.

dataforest

@Gulf said:

@dataforest said:
Well, our servers are DDoS protected, if you want it to be permanently deactivated (i.e. not automatically activated!), so you don't need DDoS protection, then you have to let us know, which we did after your last request and also communicated.

I just mean that your accusation was not correct because I had to contact you twice.

So you lie that I contacted once and you solved the problem. The problem persisted.

So what’s the deal to contact us again if something did not w> @Gulf said:

Nope, I won't buy the next BF

Avoro closed my account for criticism.

@dataforest
Why did you close my account? What kind of rule in your TSO did I violate?

I shared a ticket with you as you requested.

Hi, no criticism is of course allowed, but we do not do business with customers who accuse us of fraud or spread untruths in forums. You are welcome to send us open and honest criticism at any time - as many have already done.

Incidentally, the issue has been resolved. Paypal has decided in our favor and the customer will receive his refund today (as discussed).