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I couldn't agree more.
It completely skews the market.
And makes it impossible to differentiate one offer from another and justify a price difference. A real reservation of hardware resources will always be a far more reliable guarantee than potential migrations to balance the load of hypervisors.
And ideally, the information should be clearer for the consumer.
However, some of Dataforest's much larger competitors are the first to introduce the concept of dedicated cores that aren't.
It's probably hard not to offer similar products.
So to get things moving, I'd prefer us to target the biggest players.
That would be expectation as well when dedicated vCores term is used.
I would expect @dataforest to at least detail out their terminology of “VPS with dedicated cores” when customer is placing the order.
It's actually shocking that a lot of people are defending Dataforest for literally falsely advertising their services. We keep a few cores for the hypervisor and everything else is pinned to each individual VM, with absolutely zero overselling. I hate how dishonest companies like this cheapen the products of everyone doing things legitimately. Today, someone asked us to price match one of Dataforest's configs and we just sent them this thread
Their (Avoro) services offer MUCH higher performance for the price paid compared to your services. I can’t see any reason why someone would pick your VDS with two cores scoring a total of 1 434 on GB5 (really?) for $53.
That’s more than I pay for an actual modern CPU with 64 GB of RAM, and, wait for it, on a DEDICATED server.
Crunchbits offer actual good value, I can’t say I see you doing the same.
This is what I want when paying for VDS
4 vCores with ability to use without any FUP restrictions is the biggest factor.
For $10 price, it could well be perfect for their use cases, especially not for mining purposes.
And, of course, cores are shared by other VMs should be explained in clear terms for sake of transparency.
You're welcome to disagree. We've been in operation for over 21 years, own and operate our flagship facility, and have been scaling out due to demand. There's a reason most of our products are out of stock, and it's not because we provide a poor value. We just aren't "low end" by any stretch of the term. It's why we aren't planning on posting offers or anything like that. We just saw ourselves mentioned in the thread and figured we should clarify a few things.
Sure, but Avoro if you can tolerante SOME steal or a cheap dedicated server from for example Hetzner if you can’t blows all their offerings out of the water. Not even a question about it.
Crunchbits offer fully dedicated cores for $8, so that’s interesting as well. $53 for some 1 434 GB5, although dedicated, is laughable and not even in the same league as Avoro.
This is exactly what i was referring too
What I saw was shitting on a company offering compute per dollar that a 75 % off coupon at your site would hardly beat.
@CherryServers please move on to highendtalk
you're at the wrong forum.
You're not our target audience, and that's fine. Most of the time, people move to us from AWS, GCP, Linode, Digital Ocean, etc, and compared to other cloud providers we're quite cost competitive, especially for our VDS plans. We have zero desire to engage in a race to the bottom at the expense of service quality. Rackspace and power in carrier hub datacenters are expensive, as is high quality bandwidth.
We're on our way!
What a moment to show
Yes, your ~1400 GB5 might be (probably) over 10x slower than my dedicated that I pay less for, but thankfully, it’s more quality.
You're on fire and right ! @CherryServers please go resell somewhere else with your crazy prices, even dedicated is cheaper then a VDS at ScammyServers
Lmao, honestly, they might be good for some, I have no idea. What really got to me was the joining in on kicking the Avoro while offering absurd price to performance in comparison.
Lmao.
Yes that was also my reason for joining!
I don't really think pricing is part of the equation, was just surprised that people were defending a hosting company that was falsely advertising their CPU allocations. Regardless of pricing, that's not great. I fully expected people here to have issues with our pricing, I personally love all the lowend stuff and have VMs and dedis from quite a few of the providers here. We're really more of a digitalocean type of platform as opposed to a standard VM host. We offer semi-managed and really high touch service, a cloud platform (floating IP, managed load balancers, K8s, etc), have 24/7 live chat and phone support, are in some of the best datacenters (outside of our own facility, we use Equinix and CoreSite), and have extremely high quality IP transit. All this doesn't come cheap, and I don't really expect people to come to us for their hobby projects, especially not people from here. Like I said, we didn't come here to post offers or sell anything to anybody, just to clarify about our name (and hopefully to not be lumped in with providers like Contabo, like we were in the original post).
I don't see any cherries being mentioned in OP
It's hilarious to me all of these LowEndHosts are grifting to sell commodities and can still convince themselves they're better than the other ones.
In my eyes selling regular cores as dedicated cores is a much more respectable grift than actively advertising to alt-right individuals with "freedom of speech" (hate speech) hosting.
At least with one grift LGBTQ+ aren't committing suicide over targeted harassment.
This guy isn't grabbing random broadband consumer laws and trying to host hate speech in one of the most progressive states in the country and then using it as a fake advertising campaign that they aren't ever going to follow through on because they know they're in the wrong.
This guy isn't giving out guns to sell servers.
We got mentioned right here!
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3964719/#Comment_3964719
At least the big clouds offer tons of managed products. I've used AWS some myself. They certainly provide huge value that can't be measured in YABS. DigitalOcean not so much, a few ones, and that's it.
They were cool 10 years ago, now they're big much thanks to being early and getting VC funding and now being publicly traded. They really don't offer a very good value. When Hetzner gets a few managed services up, very specific reasons will be required to prefer DigitalOcean, such as access to the unique locations.
First thing I did at the last company I worked for was move everything from DigitalOcean to Hetzner. Services loaded faster and we saved a lot.
Sure, you can argue that their wording is wrong, but my code cares about performance, and my wallet cares about the price. The truth is, I don't see you beating Avoro in either performance or price.
Comment on page 14 = OP.
Ok
Not the OP but your point stands so w/e
Yeah my bad, mistyped.
Well, there is a market for customers who think high price is reflection of superior quality and service.
For others, including me, crunchbits and many other provider offer value for price. especially for VPS with $10+ / monthly range.
One could always create throwaway Hetzner accounts and send them 4x service cost on main account and then delete said account to donate the difference
I don't see the same thing.
I see someone explaining the difference between 2 products which, from my point of view, are completely different.
And I'm not saying Dataforest's product is bad, I use it.
The bottom line is that it's not possible from the description to understand just how different the product is from what you might think at first glance.
It's misleading for the consumer and unfair competition, no more and no less.
And that's a big problem for me, I can't understand why you're defending this.