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  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited October 2023

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Yeah so? It's on compliance with the local laws. It's not upto their whims and fancies.

    https://withpersona.com/legal/terms-of-service

    from that page

    Use of your personal information submitted to or via the 
    Site is governed by our Privacy Policy.
    
  • @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Yeah so? It's on compliance with the local laws. It's not upto their whims and fancies.

    https://withpersona.com/legal/terms-of-service
    from that page
    Use of your personal information submitted to or via the Site is governed by our Privacy Policy.

    Point being? You want the provider to receive the documents directly?

  • Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

  • @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Yeah so? It's on compliance with the local laws. It's not upto their whims and fancies.

    https://withpersona.com/legal/terms-of-service
    from that page
    Use of your personal information submitted to or via the Site is governed by our Privacy Policy.

    Point being? You want the provider to receive the documents directly?

    Passport copy along with selfie picture required
    should be mentioned CLEARLY in the offer so that customer know what they are getting into

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited October 2023

    @Astro said:
    Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

    These laws do NOT apply to India

    https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/digilinks/2023/august/india-the-digital-personal-data-protection-act

  • @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

    These laws do NOT apply to India

    Well I'm talking about the security practices in general for the verification company.

    The document and selfie is clearly mentioned on the kyc process page of the provider and the verification company.

    India doesn't have the best privacy laws. Everyone knows that. So what's the noise for?

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    Passport is a ID and address proof. same is Driving License. I have mentioned about KYC verification in my job post.

    In India users submit Aadhar card, license and pancard. We have seen international clients mostly prefer passport copy. I never mention that only Passport is valid. It was asked by another community member that passport will work

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

  • @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

    These laws do NOT apply to India

    Well I'm talking about the security practices in general for the verification company.

    The document and selfie is clearly mentioned on the kyc process page of the provider and the verification company.

    India doesn't have the best privacy laws. Everyone knows that. So what's the noise for?

    This is just an assumption on your part
    OP did not disclose the logging part done as per local laws

  • @dev_vps said: Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    You don't compare yourself to them in the first place. It's a big company with its own data centers. You are a small company that rents hardware somewhere from someone else. If anything, you'll just disappear and that's it. Nobody's gonna find you.
    Of course it's everyone's right to send personal documents by mail or not. You simply have no right to ask this guided by your local laws to sell goods all over the world. Some people think it's okay, some people don't.

    @Hostzop said: You can add a watermark to your document with the text "For Hostzop order verification only"

    There are several ways to remove the watermark from a picture. For those who need it is not a problem.

  • @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

    These laws do NOT apply to India

    Well I'm talking about the security practices in general for the verification company.

    The document and selfie is clearly mentioned on the kyc process page of the provider and the verification company.

    India doesn't have the best privacy laws. Everyone knows that. So what's the noise for?

    This is just an assumption on your part
    OP did not disclose the logging part done as per local laws

    I thought we were talking about verifications and KYC issues in particular. Nice pivot

  • @Hostzop said:
    Passport is a ID and address proof. same is Driving License. I have mentioned about KYC verification in my job post.

    In India users submit Aadhar card, license and pancard. We have seen international clients mostly prefer passport copy. I never mention that only Passport is valid. It was asked by another community member that passport will work

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Not every passport has address on it. That shows again your assumption based on Indian passport.

    You missed out selfie picture required as part of "Know Your Customer local laws"

  • @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    Withpersona seems to be hippa gdpr ccpa etc complaint

    These laws do NOT apply to India

    Well I'm talking about the security practices in general for the verification company.

    The document and selfie is clearly mentioned on the kyc process page of the provider and the verification company.

    India doesn't have the best privacy laws. Everyone knows that. So what's the noise for?

    This is just an assumption on your part
    OP did not disclose the logging part done as per local laws

    I thought we were talking about verifications and KYC issues in particular. Nice pivot

    Perfect reply to "Everyone knows that"

    Thanked by 1Astro
  • @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    Passport is a ID and address proof. same is Driving License. I have mentioned about KYC verification in my job post.

    In India users submit Aadhar card, license and pancard. We have seen international clients mostly prefer passport copy. I never mention that only Passport is valid. It was asked by another community member that passport will work

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Not every passport has address on it. That shows again your assumption based on Indian passport.

    You missed out selfie picture required as part of "Know Your Customer local laws"

    It's clearly mentioned on the linked page in the first post about kyc.

    Unless there is a rule on LET mentioning please mention details of how you carry out your KYC in detail, I don't see an issue. I dont think the provider was being deceitful at all.

  • @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    Passport is a ID and address proof. same is Driving License. I have mentioned about KYC verification in my job post.

    In India users submit Aadhar card, license and pancard. We have seen international clients mostly prefer passport copy. I never mention that only Passport is valid. It was asked by another community member that passport will work

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Not every passport has address on it. That shows again your assumption based on Indian passport.

    You missed out selfie picture required as part of "Know Your Customer local laws"

    It's clearly mentioned on the linked page in the first post about kyc.

    Unless there is a rule on LET mentioning please mention details of how you carry out your KYC in detail, I don't see an issue. I dont think the provider was being deceitful at all.

    I never menbtioned or even implied that provider is deceitful

    He did not disclose the mandatory detailed data logging for every customer REQUIRED as per local laws

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    withpersona do the verification. Selfie + id proof is needed. Its the process. We are using withpersona to increase client trust and make the verification process better. If it is not satisfactory to you, we cant arrange any better arrangement so we will respect your decision of not choosing us.

  • @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    Passport is a ID and address proof. same is Driving License. I have mentioned about KYC verification in my job post.

    In India users submit Aadhar card, license and pancard. We have seen international clients mostly prefer passport copy. I never mention that only Passport is valid. It was asked by another community member that passport will work

    @dev_vps said:

    @Astro said:
    I have no idea why people are losing their shit. https://withpersona.com/ seems to be independent company that provides verification services with their own policies. https://withpersona.com/security

    The company is just complying with the local laws. If you're not comfortable sharing your docs, then no need to buy the services. Hell Hetzner has you submit your documents directly to them with no middle verification service.

    well, Hetzner does id verification only from seleect customers, and I don't think they ask for passport copy along with selfie picture

    @Hostzop is REQURED to collect passport copy along with selfie picture for EVERY customer and follow every govt demand letter without any counter question whether the demand is as per law or not.

    Not every passport has address on it. That shows again your assumption based on Indian passport.

    You missed out selfie picture required as part of "Know Your Customer local laws"

    It's clearly mentioned on the linked page in the first post about kyc.

    Unless there is a rule on LET mentioning please mention details of how you carry out your KYC in detail, I don't see an issue. I dont think the provider was being deceitful at all.

    I never menbtioned or even implied that provider is deceitful

    He did not disclose the mandatory detailed data logging for every customer REQUIRED as per local laws

    Didn't know local laws were to be quoted in let offers.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited October 2023

    @Hostzop said:
    withpersona do the verification. Selfie + id proof is needed.
    Its the process. We are using withpersona to increase client trust and make the verification process better. If it is not satisfactory to you, we cant arrange any better arrangement so we will respect your decision of not choosing us.

    All I am suggesting is to mention this
    Selfie + id proof is needed.
    clearly on the offer page.

    Also, the detailed data logging part as well.

    Customers should have full details as per complete transparency

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    withpersona do the verification. Selfie + id proof is needed.
    Its the process. We are using withpersona to increase client trust and make the verification process better. If it is not satisfactory to you, we cant arrange any better arrangement so we will respect your decision of not choosing us.

    All I am suggesting is to mention this
    Selfie + id proof is needed.
    clearly on the offer page.

    Also, the detailed data logging part as well.

    Customers should have full details as per complete transparency

    Ok

  • Generally you should specify this before buying your product. Otherwise, as in the supermarket Discounts discounts come you come register and you sorry nothing will happen to you as not passed face control. And how will the potential customer feel after that?

    In general, it's better to have respect for those who bring you profit.

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    You can always get surprised. I got a lot of feedback today. Some didnt taste well but I was able to understand the perspectives.

    I want my clients to feel safe with us and move quickly ahead from KYC step. Thanks for giving me your opinion.

  • @Hostzop said: I got a lot of feedback today

    Where to check it?

    Single women also get a lot of attention from men like they think they do.

  • @Hostzop said:
    You can always get surprised. I got a lot of feedback today. Some didnt taste well but I was able to understand the perspectives.

    I want my clients to feel safe with us and move quickly ahead from KYC step. Thanks for giving me your opinion.

    No matter what you say. If you get a hypothetical example letter saying “share details of all customers who visited google.com in last 45 days”

    you will comply without questioning if the demand as per law or not.

    Correct me, if I am wrong

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    You can always get surprised. I got a lot of feedback today. Some didnt taste well but I was able to understand the perspectives.

    I want my clients to feel safe with us and move quickly ahead from KYC step. Thanks for giving me your opinion.

    No matter what you say. If you get a hypothetical example letter saying “share details of all customers who visited google.com in last 45 days”

    you will comply without questioning if the demand as per law or not.

    Correct me, if I am wrong

    We put our country first and we trust our government's decisions.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited October 2023

    @Hostzop said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    You can always get surprised. I got a lot of feedback today. Some didnt taste well but I was able to understand the perspectives.

    I want my clients to feel safe with us and move quickly ahead from KYC step. Thanks for giving me your opinion.

    No matter what you say. If you get a hypothetical example letter saying “share details of all customers who visited google.com in last 45 days”

    you will comply without questioning if the demand as per law or not.

    Correct me, if I am wrong

    We put our country first and we trust our government's decisions.

    Perfect.
    Just don’t forget this in putting in clear words along with offers so that customers can make educated decisions.

  • @Hostzop said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @Hostzop said:
    You can always get surprised. I got a lot of feedback today. Some didnt taste well but I was able to understand the perspectives.

    I want my clients to feel safe with us and move quickly ahead from KYC step. Thanks for giving me your opinion.

    No matter what you say. If you get a hypothetical example letter saying “share details of all customers who visited google.com in last 45 days”

    you will comply without questioning if the demand as per law or not.

    Correct me, if I am wrong

    We put our country first and we trust our government's decisions.

    Basically you have confirmed that no customer should expect any privacy with any service hosted by you.

  • HostzopHostzop Member, Host Rep

    @jenkki said:

    @Hostzop said: I got a lot of feedback today

    Where to check it?

    Single women also get a lot of attention from men like they think they do.

    would you not follow the process, if there is a law.

  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep

    Complying with India's policies and laws are mandatory for any provider being established in India.

    You "can't" fight the govt. and win a case here, very unlikely but possible when you have lot's of money to hire law agencies.

    This provider is just trying to avoid that and is checking ID for every order.

    What are you gonna say for RIPE requiring ID verification for ASN allocation... for all ASN allocations?

  • @Hostzop said: would you not follow the process, if there is a law.

    Two to five for perjury.

  • @FatGrizzly said:

    What are you gonna say for RIPE requiring ID verification for ASN allocation... for all ASN allocations?

    Do they require Selfie pictures as well?

    Do they share customer data just for any demand letter?

  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2023

    @dev_vps said:

    @FatGrizzly said:

    What are you gonna say for RIPE requiring ID verification for ASN allocation... for all ASN allocations?

    Do they require Selfie pictures as well?

    Do they share customer data just for any demand letter?

    i'm not a LIR, but i do remember submitting ID's. not too sure about selfie.

    Buddy, this is India and you're quite forced to giveaway stuff rather risking arrest. If you have issues with this provider, just move on rather than bitching in the offer thread.

    If you see an offer that is not right for you for some reason just move on. Not everything will fit your individual needs and it may be a great offer for someone else. It is not your place to trash hosts' offers.

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