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The end of Kiwi on clearnet?
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The main one. Search for "A Joint Statement on Recent Events Between Signal and the Anti-Censorship Community" to have a grasp on what happened. There were mindless Signal supporters attacking those who really working on censorship analysis and circumvention back then, and to this day, Signal still doesn't address any issue long-existed in their TLS proxy (TLS-over-TLS) they pitched as "a way to combat censorship", which was already fingerprinted and blocked long ago in countries they pitch for.
Session is backed by Oxen, a crypto-organization, sure, who also develops and maintains Lokinet, one hecka mixnet making relatively low-latency workloads like gaming on dark web possible. I don't have any interest in crypto, but I do have high hopes for Session and Lokinet.
I had this guy insist on using Signal because it was "anonymous", first thing it asked for was a phone number as a requirement.
???
While I like Signal its not anonymous at all, its just a chatapp with good e2ee and only "collects" your phone number/register date/last-login date.
That guy was probably on some type of drugs.
It's not just about fighting an upstream which should lawfully remain neutral, there are other parts that can leverage a service provider to terminate even if they do not wish to terminate the service.
Looking at how you run your DC now with such network issues, none redundant power, and your desperation to make more sales by "hijacking" customers, i dont think you should host anything like this.
https://silent.link/ - If your phone supports eSIM and you're cool with some unknown Polish company issuing a US or UK phone number.
But yeah, Session is easier / more private. Just depends on who/what you're using a messaging app for.
ehhh. signal!?
lmao ok
It's actually a Ukrainian anti-vaxxer from Canada, which makes the service all the more based.
Bahnhof has the resources to withstand the actual attack volume itself (they're hosting many big companies and they're a big ISP in Sweden).
However, I don't think Kiwi could afford what that would cost. It's not OVH so to speak.
But, I don't think Bahnhof would want to. They're very pro-integrity and they have booted off at least one company before that they didn't think cared enough about people's private life.
Ah, gotcha. I said Polish only because my traffic was going through Poland on 4G.
Reaching two months without a clearnet address now.
It's rather surprising the amount of hosts they've been through.
Seems unlikely we'll see a return, and even so... it'd be unlikely to last very long.
We actually just published an article over on LowEndBox about it and discuss the line (and consequences) between hate speech and free speech:
https://lowendbox.com/blog/kiwi-farms-the-infamous-alt-right-hate-forum-might-be-off-the-clearnet-for-good/
Nice hitpeace with quality accusations without any proof to back anything up (linking to news articles that have 0 proof doesn't count as proof). But there are some things in the work and Null is trying clearnet soonish, no idea how long that will last though.
You're aware that you're not getting paid for acting like Joshua's online keyboard bodyguard?
I am not defending Joshua, I am pointing out flaws in the article
Is It Bad Kiwi Farms Is Being De-Platformed?
The rest of the article is fine.
1) Chloe Sagal, Julie Terryberry. Yes it is.
2) The article never states he keeps illegal content up. It's a moral argument, not legal.
"Hate speech is not really a thing" is the sort of thing only a very specific group of folk tend to say, FWIW.
Who determines what "hate speech" is?
noun
"abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds."
So what's your question again? Who determine if your witch hunt base on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds prejudice?
If that's your question, it's safe to say that some of you don't even hide it.
Might as well bring this back at the same time
As Destiny mensions Chloe tried to kill herself twice before the thread was up. Her thread on KF died down 8 months before she killed herself and people around her including a former partner stated that Chloe struggled with homelessness and mental health. Nothing mentioned KF.
Terryberry was abused by multiple people at a young age. Had a lot of mental health issues which included being suicidal, couldn't take care of herself which resulted in rotten teeth. After discovering her thread she actively taunt KF and she hanged herself after her BF broke up with her.
In both cases you mentioned there is 0 evidence and only useless speculations which don't hold up anywhere except on the Internet where lying is easy.
What an awful moral position to take
When the victim of your bullying ends up killing him/herself and you start going on about proof like it’s a trial
Laws and morals isn’t the same thing
And there is very rarely ONE sole reason for someone deciding to end their life
But when a group of people bully someone, and that someone ends up committing suicide, the normal non-psychopathic reaction is to be sorry, not to go on about proof and laws and documents; that’s the sick psychopath response
AJ Luxton, Chloe Sagals friend said Chloe directly mentioned Kiwi Farms.
There's more information I could source than that too, but it doesn't matter. You'll feel the same way.
The important part is that you read the article and form your own opinions.
Free speech is important.
P.S. Julie Terryberry was clearly targeted by Kiwi Farms, you don't even dispute it on this one - you just blamed it on mental health.
I can say whatever I want when my friend dies, She tried to kill herself twice before KF and she succeeded 8 months after KF lost interest.
KF has a no contact rule and individuals can break that but its looked down on. Terryberry taunted KF which doesn't help if you are being targeted. You can't solely blame KF if there are many other factors in play. so both cases can't be solely blamed on KF and are a far reach.
While you’re right there’s a much bigger picture
They always bring up specific cases and trying to weasel their way out of making their obvious psychopathic tendencies clear
This is the only thing that matters really:
Kiwi bullies mentally instable people, obviously this has an inpact on their lives, sometimes, these people end up comitting suicide after the bullying, maybe because of it, maybe partly because of it, maybe not because of it at all
Taking pride in that bullying, no matter if it directly triggered the suicides = sick
Spoken like a true Gandi