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The end of Kiwi on clearnet?
Looks like Kiwi was ended in clearnet.
Since most of providers can't help them. Many issues and they are searching for someone that may help them to host their forum, but looks like is being hard.
Is this the end of Kiwi? What providers can do to protect freedom of speech (not talking about Kiwi) but in general if this happens with many and others websites.
Everything is described in their main domain (looks like they are blocking IP lookup like Check-host, DNSDumpster etc.)
What you think they can do?
Source: kiwifarms.net
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Well, he should have taken my offer:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3505790/#Comment_3505790
No, there are still things in the works and there are still providers (ddos protection/hosting) that are fine with hosting the Kiwi's and if they get pushed off again it will be lawfare.
There is a dnssec issue I think. I think the dnssec keys expired.
Rest assured it will be back.
Terrorists and enemies of free speech, will pay for it.
Crazy world we live in, a rapist can "legally" take down incriminating evidence using media sites as a pillar for making a point in his deranged head and terrorizing innocent people. He was also going after Archive.today for archiving it. There are a few providers here who got a taste of what this sex pest is capable of, but we can't surrender, many had to purely because of him terrorizing innocent people that weren't even related to it.
He will also coincidentally never be a woman.
I have contacted several times @JoshuaMoon for allow me , for host kiwifarms.net but every time ignore me
Regards,
Calin
To be honest, I just don't think you understand what it would mean to you and your business.
You were down for weeks due to a ddos attack, now imagine its 24/7 for months.
And we are talking x 100Gbps attacks, up to Tbps.
I see that Joshua already screwed up by not putting up any onion mirror links for the 10% of the audience that remained on the site (not even trying to be demeaning - the online member count went down from 5000 to 500 once moving to Tor).
I'd say the site will be gone in less than a year. My prediction on how it's gonna go (in no particular order):
and it's gone.
@Calin my friend you're just not alt-tech enough.
Hello @neckbreaker yes I'm know this, but for a client that kiwifarms my ISP it's possible to help with these problems, if @JoshuaMoon would be willing to pay 700+ euros/monthly might do these things, my provider does not care about this type of website, why happens in the network when it comes to free speak
Regards,
Calin
Just for your information, Kevin is a clueless larper.
Most of the shit that comes out of his mouth, are lies.
He is the same person who created a "blocklist" consisting of companies that host/ed kiwifarms and wanted people to use it.
It consisted off networks such as cloudflare, he literally wanted people to drop all traffic in and out cloudflare just because of a website on the internet he doesn't like. He is an insanely dumb person.
From an outsider perspective, everything went downhill once keffal or whatever the streamer name is got swatted. Cloudflare was trying its best to keep kiwifarms afloat, the moment the swatting gained traction on the mainstream media, it was the start of the troubles for kiwifarms, once cloudflare shield was gone, they went after the host & everything. All liz fong jones needed to do once cloudflare was gone is just to go after the companies that cant be bothered to take any heat.
The worst thing is, he didn't get swatted at all - it was a search warrant(which requires more information and basis than just a call - which is often used for "swatting"), he even tried to sue Police dep for it, but all the money he crowdfunded for it was spent on opiods and amphetamines feeding his addiction. You will see this person in jail some day for wire fraud.
Keffals never got swatted but yeah, after cloudflare dropped it went downhill from their sadly. Shows everyone how powerful cloudflare is and how there aren't any real alternatives around.
Yeah, cloudflare has the power to fight its upstream, that is how powerful it is, I remember rob monster tried creating an alternative but they were not powerful enough and their upstream simply dropped them.
Even terrorist organisations are using cloudflare haha
Yup, that is still the funny part, KF who never did anything illegal under US laws got booted but there are so many illegal websites on CF, its laughably sad.
Yeah figured as much, but shows how flawed the majority of media is, they only propagate whatever is trending for views and never follow up on what they report.
What about Bahnhof? They fight in the court. But I'm not seeing they hosting kiwi, due to high DDoS attacks.
https://bahnhof.se/ - The main issue should be the DDoS, otherwise I think they could host it.
Hell no. Please don’t. Not because I hate kiwifarms but I like to see my €5 VPS online for longer.
I guess there was a powerful entity stomping on cloudflare's neck to force them to drop protection for kiwi & Cloudflare figured that it was not worth the hassle to continue the fight, and the trending news at the time also didn't help, I understand before that, they were actively trying to ask cf to drop kiwi but cloudflare didn't budge.
Jokes aside, how practical would it be to host such a forum in ndn system ? Assuming you can take all the heat.
Yes that is the biggest problem right now.
This was the last update on their telegram,
https://t.me/kiwifarms/171
You can't preview KF on the TG website, so here is a screenshot for the non-tg-users.
Doubt. By the looks of it, he is just looking for something stable; he doesn't want to juggle frontends.
Also, according to his podcast from the 19th of May:
For reference, somebody made a tool to export Telegram channels to RSS. It lets you preview Telegram channels without having an account, even when they're blocked.
https://tg.i-c-a.su/rss/kiwifarms
(you should not really use Telegram for anything anyway)
Huh, so what's the alternative?
Session and Signal are probably the only two privacy communication apps that aren't horrible.
Scratch Signal - No phone number hiding, toxic community, not having a single idea towards anti-censorship while talking shit. They're dicks, period.
Session is one I can wholeheartedly recommend, although their feature set isn't yet comparable to what Telegram offers now.
Telegram. We should know that when Signal or Session be "famous" they will receive pressure and they will be like otherelse.
At least Telegram is much better than WhatsApp.
What's the Signal community you speak of? I don't mean to derail this thread, but I've never seen anything questionable presented to me in the app and Signal being pro-censorship is something I've never heard before.
Signal is great for communicating with people you know already like co-workers, peers, friends, family. People you trust to have your number. The voice and video chat feature works well too.
Session is also good, but lacks wide adoption. Lot of scammers and pieces of shit on it, and it's backed by an Australian based organization with a bunch of venture capital behind it, LokiNet and Oxen I do believe. The app is great but sadly no one really uses it in my peer group. Curious to see what the future holds for it since the whole point of everything on that ecosystem is to pump Oxen, a coin that isn't accepted anywhere useful.
This thread will be derailed regardless, and it is still on the censorship/privacy topic
While Signal is centralized and "easily" censored (happened some time ago but they offer proxy support to fix this) I also agree that Signal is the best in the chatapp space. Especially for a Whatsapp alternative because it isn't really ment for communities. I use it daily and forced everyone I know to use it, love everything about it (except mobile coin, I ignore that part)
There is currently also some drama around LokiNet and Oxen so while the app and idea is great it isn't working out that great.
It is totally to host forums on Named Data Networking global network.
See the design in this paper:
Ashlesh Gawande, Jeremy Clark, Damian Coomes, and Lan Wang. 2019. Decentralized and Secure Multimedia Sharing Application over Named Data Networking. In Proceedings of the 6th ACM Conference on Information-Centric Networking (ICN '19). Association for Computing Machinery, New York, NY, USA, 19–29. https://doi.org/10.1145/3357150.3357402