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  • FrankZFrankZ Barred
    edited October 2021

    @TimboJones said: What do you mean? The 3900X is going to CPU and memory bottlenecked long before the Epyc.

    I understood VirMach was cost comparing the relative capacity of one Dual Epyc 7351 node to 2.5-3x Ryzen 3900X nodes.

    Thanked by 1TimboJones
  • @VirMach said:

    @karjaj said:
    Ticket #586962, created 09/17, not fixed yet... :o

    :o

    @FrankZ said:

    @VirMach said: Do we buy this or 10 more Ryzen servers?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633067060

    Or buy many EPYC 7351 :)

    Every time I look into Epyc, I talk myself out of it. I get CPU bottleneck and real-world memory speed anxiety and I just can't do it. Otherwise it could be amazing compared to keeping dual E5 for some specials if we go that route.

    We'll most likely fill some Ryzens, see how it goes, and then consider Epyc more closely.

    It'd look like:

    Dual Epyc 7351
    512GB RAM
    6x 4TB NVMe
    10GE Port

    In theory this should perform at least similar to or greater than our current dual E5 nodes but it would end up having only as little as half the processing power versus equivalent proportion Ryzen. Savings wise it's either the above, or 2.5-3x Ryzen nodes (with only 75% the total potential capacity) for the same price.

    Either way though it would make a good drop-in replacement for the storage nodes should we decide to do that instead of Intel. Right now though, they're Intel and maybe one of them will be threadripper (and not Epyc) but the future ones may be Epyc (versus Ryzen, since we do need the extra memory and lanes.)

    I opened a ticket in Billing Department 3days ago, when will Billing Department working,waiting in painful

    Thanked by 1karjaj
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  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    @tinyweasel said:
    Hmm... ryzen seems to be taking some time, doesn't it? It'd be great if it was accelerated, so I could finally ditch BuyVM, that is.

    if you want cheap ryzen, use purple guy
    unless you want ipv6, that is

    Thanked by 1tinyweasel
  • donlidonli Member
    edited October 2021

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    Thanked by 2imok FrankZ
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @taizi said:

    @VirMach said:

    @karjaj said:
    Ticket #586962, created 09/17, not fixed yet... :o

    :o

    @FrankZ said:

    @VirMach said: Do we buy this or 10 more Ryzen servers?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633067060

    Or buy many EPYC 7351 :)

    Every time I look into Epyc, I talk myself out of it. I get CPU bottleneck and real-world memory speed anxiety and I just can't do it. Otherwise it could be amazing compared to keeping dual E5 for some specials if we go that route.

    We'll most likely fill some Ryzens, see how it goes, and then consider Epyc more closely.

    It'd look like:

    Dual Epyc 7351
    512GB RAM
    6x 4TB NVMe
    10GE Port

    In theory this should perform at least similar to or greater than our current dual E5 nodes but it would end up having only as little as half the processing power versus equivalent proportion Ryzen. Savings wise it's either the above, or 2.5-3x Ryzen nodes (with only 75% the total potential capacity) for the same price.

    Either way though it would make a good drop-in replacement for the storage nodes should we decide to do that instead of Intel. Right now though, they're Intel and maybe one of them will be threadripper (and not Epyc) but the future ones may be Epyc (versus Ryzen, since we do need the extra memory and lanes.)

    I opened a ticket in Billing Department 3days ago, when will Billing Department working,waiting in painful

    I had a cheeseburger 3 days ago, it was really good.

  • @VirMach said:

    @taizi said:

    @VirMach said:

    @karjaj said:
    Ticket #586962, created 09/17, not fixed yet... :o

    :o

    @FrankZ said:

    @VirMach said: Do we buy this or 10 more Ryzen servers?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633067060

    Or buy many EPYC 7351 :)

    Every time I look into Epyc, I talk myself out of it. I get CPU bottleneck and real-world memory speed anxiety and I just can't do it. Otherwise it could be amazing compared to keeping dual E5 for some specials if we go that route.

    We'll most likely fill some Ryzens, see how it goes, and then consider Epyc more closely.

    It'd look like:

    Dual Epyc 7351
    512GB RAM
    6x 4TB NVMe
    10GE Port

    In theory this should perform at least similar to or greater than our current dual E5 nodes but it would end up having only as little as half the processing power versus equivalent proportion Ryzen. Savings wise it's either the above, or 2.5-3x Ryzen nodes (with only 75% the total potential capacity) for the same price.

    Either way though it would make a good drop-in replacement for the storage nodes should we decide to do that instead of Intel. Right now though, they're Intel and maybe one of them will be threadripper (and not Epyc) but the future ones may be Epyc (versus Ryzen, since we do need the extra memory and lanes.)

    I opened a ticket in Billing Department 3days ago, when will Billing Department working,waiting in painful

    I had a cheeseburger 3 days ago, it was really good.

    Painful comes later when you sit on the white throne

    Thanked by 1bulbasaur
  • @tetech said:

    @VirMach said:

    @taizi said:

    @VirMach said:

    @karjaj said:
    Ticket #586962, created 09/17, not fixed yet... :o

    :o

    @FrankZ said:

    @VirMach said: Do we buy this or 10 more Ryzen servers?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633067060

    Or buy many EPYC 7351 :)

    Every time I look into Epyc, I talk myself out of it. I get CPU bottleneck and real-world memory speed anxiety and I just can't do it. Otherwise it could be amazing compared to keeping dual E5 for some specials if we go that route.

    We'll most likely fill some Ryzens, see how it goes, and then consider Epyc more closely.

    It'd look like:

    Dual Epyc 7351
    512GB RAM
    6x 4TB NVMe
    10GE Port

    In theory this should perform at least similar to or greater than our current dual E5 nodes but it would end up having only as little as half the processing power versus equivalent proportion Ryzen. Savings wise it's either the above, or 2.5-3x Ryzen nodes (with only 75% the total potential capacity) for the same price.

    Either way though it would make a good drop-in replacement for the storage nodes should we decide to do that instead of Intel. Right now though, they're Intel and maybe one of them will be threadripper (and not Epyc) but the future ones may be Epyc (versus Ryzen, since we do need the extra memory and lanes.)

    I opened a ticket in Billing Department 3days ago, when will Billing Department working,waiting in painful

    I had a cheeseburger 3 days ago, it was really good.

    Painful comes later when you sit on the white throne

    Without rubber bands?

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited October 2021

    @FrankZ said:

    @VirMach said: Every time I look into Epyc, I talk myself out of it. I get CPU bottleneck and real-world memory speed anxiety and I just can't do it.

    If the cost differential is 25% between a 4 year old EPYC and RYZEN then I can understand your hesitation.

    (edit) Actually I'll just speak about this later.

    @TimboJones said: What do you mean? The 3900X is going to CPU and memory bottlenecked long before the Epyc. You wouldn't use Epyc for storage servers, you'd use all your old Intel's.

    CPU and memory get bottlenecked first with the 3900X or even 5950X in most cases, however, per unit, Epyc will end up with a CPU bottleneck. And first generation Epyc which is the only one realistic to use due to the cost of the newer generations will have a bigger speed bottleneck for memory due to 1st gen infinity fabric.

    But of course Ryzen does have the problems you mentioned, the main one being the cap (128GB) on memory and using more expensive/rare UDIMM ECC versus RDIMM ECC.

    Thanked by 1FrankZ
  • Why this place so quiet ?

  • I don't know

  • I was going to posts seconds ago but pressed the sign out button instead.

    It could be a sign.

    Anyway I will continue watching Grey's Anatomy.

  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @imok said:
    I was going to posts seconds ago but pressed the sign out button instead.

    Welcome back! Glad that you didnt forget your password

  • @ben47955 said:
    Why this place so quiet ?

    Be vewy vewy quiet - we're hunting Ryzens...

  • Waiting for break news today.

  • @cgs3238 said:
    Waiting for break news today.

    What did you break?

  • @imok said:
    I was going to posts seconds ago but pressed the sign out button instead.

    It could be a sign.

    Anyway I will continue watching Grey's Anatomy.

    Which season?

  • @ben47955 said:
    Why this place so quiet ?

    Because those missing VPS have finally been provisioned... Or cancelled.

  • FrankZFrankZ Barred
    edited October 2021

    With the Alpha test going on I have also been surprised by the lack of comments in :https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/174214/virmach-ryzen-alpha-beta-test-results-and-comments#latest//

  • @vyas11 said:

    @imok said:
    I was going to posts seconds ago but pressed the sign out button instead.

    It could be a sign.

    Anyway I will continue watching Grey's Anatomy.

    Which season?

    The one where a doctor dies.

  • @imok said:

    @vyas11 said:

    @imok said:
    I was going to posts seconds ago but pressed the sign out button instead.

    It could be a sign.

    Anyway I will continue watching Grey's Anatomy.

    Which season?

    The one where a doctor dies.

    :-)

    Glad you did not mention the one where a doctor dies in the following season, followed by another doctor dying two seasons later.

    Happy watching

    Thanked by 1imok
  • :D

    The last one. Season 17 I think.

    Thanked by 1vyas11
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @FrankZ tagging you as we had a brief discussion about this earlier in case you're still interested.

    For the first batch of Windows server we're going to try to use the RAID controllers because [A] the Windows plans use a little bit less disk per unit of RAM and CPU, so we can just do 4 x 2TB NVMe (instead of 4 x 4TB which is a little too much), [B] they have room for 3x 1TB SSDs which we can use for more frequent backups and as a temporary direct replacement as needed, and [C] four bays for hard drives for more backups.

    Not super finalized but barring any major complications I'd feel safer using the controllers if we have plenty of backups and Windows is a good place to start because no matter what we add to the server the most insane cost will always be the licensing.

    @FrankZ said: With the Alpha test going on I have also been surprised by the lack of comments in :https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/174214/virmach-ryzen-alpha-beta-test-results-and-comments#latest//

    Once we put more beta people on (alpha had less people) and then make some issues appear it should get more active. I'm thinking of starting off by asking DC hands to remove the CPU heatsink.

    Thanked by 3FAT32 imok FrankZ
  • @VirMach said:
    I'm thinking of starting off by asking DC hands to remove the CPU heatsink.

    Ask them to add some more RAM, no need to power down first.

  • Maybe he can unplug the network cables, just to increase activity.

  • @VirMach said: I'm thinking of starting off by asking DC hands to remove the CPU heatsink.

    Time to hammer down CPU!
    Oh wait, I am still doing that.

    Thanked by 1FrankZ
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  • @VirMach I am always interested to hear about your build configuration details. One of those things that most providers don't talk about very much.

    @VirMach said: I'm thinking of starting off by asking DC hands to remove the CPU heatsink.

    Bumping up my CPU usage to 100% in 3,2,1 ....

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