€2.99/month dedicated - what's going to happen in the industry?

Master_Bo · July 2013

@Maounique said:

Seems to have some reserves. ...

Good, it's fine to see neutral-tone comparison.
Next time, if/when I look for any low-end offer, I'll do more thorough comparison.

To be nearer to reality: UnixBench/IOPS scores are fine to see and boast with, but real-life applications use resources in their special way. The best comparison would be to install the asme real-life software (whatever you wish: game server, PBX server, Web hosting environment of one's choice etc) and run thorough stress tests, to compare).

The above comparison would be of much more use, since it's less abstract.

So, the conclusion: OVH added another low-end entry, quite competing to take into account. If they really open Kimsufi to whole world some day, it will be still more competing. But that's all. Another species enters low-end hostingsphere. And it's not that universal to assimilate all the rest.

Maounique · July 2013

@Master_Bo said:
So, the conclusion: OVH added another low-end entry, quite competing to take into account. If they really open Kimsufi to whole world some day, it will be still more competing. But that's all. Another species enters low-end hostingsphere. And it's not that universal to assimilate all the rest.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

alexvolk · July 2013

@Maounique you're just afraid that @prometeus can't provide great service and expect that your customers will go with ovh, otherwise you wouldn't blame ovh here so much.

Guys, if you're not from EU you can check your countries local web-site, from where you can purchase kimsufi:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121023122735/http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/availability.xml

Maounique · July 2013

@alexvolk said:
Maounique you're just afraid that prometeus can't provide great service and expect that your customers will go with ovh, otherwise you wouldn't blame ovh here so much.

Indeed.

You discovered the truth long after rm_

netomx · July 2013

@alexvolk OK stop with that. OVH

DomainBop · July 2013

Guys, if you're not from EU you can check your countries local web-site, from where you can purchase kimsufi:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121023122735/http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/availability.xml

The 3 OVH sites that are targeted to strictly non-EU residents, OVH Senegal (ovh.sn), OVH Morocco (ovh.com/ma) and OVH Tunisia (ovh.com.tn.), no longer offer any Kimsufi products. http://www.ovh.sn/serveurs_dedies/

OVH.ie (Ireland/US/Canada), OVH.es (Spain, and 19 Spanish speaking countries in the Americas), and OVH.pt (Portugal and Brazil) list Kimsufi products but will cancel any Kimsufi orders by non-EU residents.

The only non-EU country currently allowed to purchase the new Kimsufi product line is Switzerland because of trade agreements it has with the EU.

KS will not replace LEBs anytime soon

KS at 2.99 euros ($4) monthly is way too expensive //sarcasm// to conquer the low end world. because WHT/HackForums advertiser StefalHost is offering 2GB RAM/100GB storage/5TB bandwidth plans for $1.25 monthly ($15 annually) on aging WII (or is it Datashack) desktop grade equipment. :P

Maounique · July 2013

@Zen said:
Aren't they focusing on high end Iaas?

Not really, will be the low end of the low end since our prices for VMWare are way lower than OVH which is cheap by most accounts, then our OS IaaS will be cheaper than that.

Since we are already cheaper then OVH it means the IaaS will be low end.

I will struggle to convince uncle to launch a LEB offer for that, at least a limited promo like we had with the OVerZold launch, but will be only for existing customers in good standing, dont want abuse on it.

sc754 · July 2013

@Maounique said:
Now lets try freevps.sh

> root@test:~/unixbench-5.1.2# wget freevps.us/downloads/bench.sh -O - -o /dev/null|bash
> CPU model :  Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 0 @ 2.00GHz
> Number of cores : 4
> CPU frequency :  2000.161 MHz
> Total amount of ram : 4096 MB
> Total amount of swap : 510 MB
> System uptime :   1:07,
> Download speed from CacheFly: 72.0MB/s
> Download speed from Coloat, Atlanta GA: 11.4MB/s
> Download speed from Softlayer, Dallas, TX: 19.2MB/s
> Download speed from Linode, Tokyo, JP: 570KB/s
> Download speed from i3d.net, NL: 33.9MB/s
> Download speed from Leaseweb, Haarlem, NL: 27.7MB/s
> Download speed from Softlayer, Singapore: 7.74MB/s
> Download speed from Softlayer, Seattle, WA: 14.9MB/s
> Download speed from Softlayer, San Jose, CA: 11.6MB/s
> Download speed from Softlayer, Washington, DC: 11.1MB/s
> I/O speed :  158 MB/s
>

The 1 gbps port is making a difference in many places.

For those that will point out this is only a container and the ram is not guaranteed, yeah, it is indeed a container and some very rare software will not work well, but about the ram:

> top - 03:17:44 up 76 days, 21:57,  1 user,  load average: 13.26, 16.27, 18.03
> Tasks: 3714 total,  12 running, 3688 sleeping,   2 stopped,  12 zombie
> Cpu(s): 57.3%us, 10.8%sy,  0.3%ni, 26.7%id,  3.3%wa,  0.0%hi,  1.7%si,  0.0%st
> Mem:  131859556k total, 106866028k used, 24993528k free,   134872k buffers
> Swap: 64274424k total,  1740400k used, 62534024k free, 10318196k cached
>

Seems to have some reserves.

Pros for KS:

Unmetered traffic;

Upcoming DDoS protection;

No problems if load goes through the roof (well, your app will lag like hell, but OVH will not care);

Lower price (some 30%);

Will run almost everything;

Pros for OVerZold:

More RAM (double);

Better CPU (double if your KS has 2 cores, 4x if only one);

Better IO;

RAID protection;

Better network speed;

Some support;

Monthly payment;

Available for everyone, no matter location;

Will OVH chase our customers ? Some that need DDoS protection for sure, others, perhaps.

When the offer will open all over the world, even tho will be more expensive, more people will switch, but since we are almost all the time lacking stock, it is highly unlikely will make any difference.

EDIT: Damn, when will vanilla honour CR ?

For me as with many customers for data protection reasons as well as having guaranteed resources:

Dedicated > VPS

gsrdgrdghd · July 2013

I'm curious about the UnixBench scores. My Kimsufi got 800 with 2 Intel Atom @ 1.8 Ghz cores. The Overzold got 1600 with a Xeon E5-2620 @ 2.00GHz. Does this mean that one core of the Xeon is equal to one core of the Atom?

rm_ · July 2013

Does this mean that one core of the Xeon is equal to one core of the Atom?

@gsrdgrdghd not really; just with Atom it's only you on the whole server, while on OverZold there are many other people on the same CPU, doing who the hell knows what.

taronyu · July 2013

@Maounique said:

The only thing about Overzold I don't like is the stock

upfreak · July 2013

@rm_ said:
there are many other people on the same CPU, doing who the hell knows what.

LOL. Very much related : fear of public bathrooms : lutropublicaphobia

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6128738.stm

rm_ · July 2013

LOL. Very much related : fear of public bathrooms : lutropublicaphobia

Are you in a kindergarden? I explained why you may not get the full performance that you expect -- because there are others also using this resource. But if your VPSes are like public bathrooms for you, then I dunno, indeed kind of doesn't sound like an attractive comparison.

mpkossen · July 2013

@sc754 said:
OVH is a competitor, since I as a customer of LEB previously won't be buying any more VPS while I can get a dedicated server for £2.99 a month. I know a few others who will be doing the same... I do like prometeus though as a LEB provider. But if there's a choice between dedicated vs a VPS then I'll always choose a dedicated server.

Really? I think you're bypassing some important advantages of a VPS here:

Hardware is not your issue: if a disk goes down, you don't have to worry about having to replace it or file a ticket with the dedi provider.
Redundancy: most VPS are on RAID sets, most cheap dedis just have one disk
CPU performance: as nice as an atom (for example) may be, it can't match most server CPUs that VPS providers use.
Access: not every dedi provider provides IPMI/KVM over IP/OoB access.
Disk performance: a proper RAID set with enterprise drives definitely outperforms a single (desktop) drive in a cheap dedi.

And I didn't even mention service (ticket responses, etc.).

DomainBop · July 2013

@gsrdgrdghd said:
I'm curious about the UnixBench scores. My Kimsufi got 800 with 2 Intel Atom @ 1.8 Ghz cores. The Overzold got 1600 with a Xeon E5-2620 @ 2.00GHz. Does this mean that one core of the Xeon is equal to one core of the Atom?

I think it means that when many providers advertise a VPS plan as "4 cores" what you are probably actually getting is "4 threads"

...and you can be certain you're getting x threads not x cores when you see a provider advertise a VPS with 6 cores that's hosted on a 4 core E3 node :P

tr1cky · July 2013

@Maounique What about CPU usage? Could I use 100% of the CPU at any time? Could I use 50% of the CPU at any time?

Master_Bo · July 2013

@alexvolk said:
Maounique you're just afraid that prometeus can't provide great service and expect that your customers will go with ovh, otherwise you wouldn't blame ovh here so much.

Oh. yes!

We are OVH of Borg. Your clientele will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

James · July 2013

@tr1cky said:
Maounique What about CPU usage? Could I use 100% of the CPU at any time? Could I use 50% of the CPU at any time?

It is a dedicated server so you can use 100% of the CPU on the kimsurfis at any time

ska · July 2013

@James said:
It is a dedicated server so you can use 100% of the CPU on the kimsurfis at any time

You misread his post. He was asking if he could utilise the CPU of the VPS at that given time.

xset · July 2013

Maouniques server was kind of fully utilized already by looking at the cpu usage >15

ErawanArifNugroho · July 2013

So, here's the answer from OVH :

Hello,

Normaly you should receive the refund in 30 days max.

Sincerely, 
Thibaut G. 
Support Dédié OVH.

This automation, took 30days...

xset · July 2013

@erawanarifnugroho ithats perfectly fine, still gives. you 15 days for paypal claim

James · July 2013

@ErawanArifNugroho said:
So, here's the answer from OVH :

> Hello,
> 
> Normaly you should receive the refund in 30 days max.
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Thibaut G. 
> Support Dédié OVH.
>

This automation, took 30days...

Oh well, I'm waiting for my old server to be refunded also but i did get a kimsurfi

James · July 2013

@ska said:
You misread his post. He was asking if he could utilise the CPU of the VPS at that given time.

ah sorry

xset · July 2013

@james you got new kimsufi? u from eu?

Maounique · July 2013

@xset said:
Maouniques server was kind of fully utilized already by looking at the cpu usage >15

15<24, therefore was far from fully used.

UnixBench shows the syntethic performance in a real server, all OVerZold ones are full, stock was a few units in the morning, if the CPU is overloaded or not, that is the CPU performance in real usage conditions, much better than an Atom with 2 cores/4 threads. So I do not understand the issue here.

And yes, while other hosts limit the CPU usage, we do not, for a fully multithreaded app, your load can go as high as the number of cores, going over that may create issues IF the server load is approaching the maximum of 24 (the number of threads) and then we look who is abusing (generally much higher than 4, had even 2000 and one case of 2 billion load while the node still had idle time) and I shut them down till the user can look at it. If the load is just a bit over 4, gets an email to inform the maximum for the plan is 4. I only suspended 2-3 lost causes running hundreds of HLDS threads with loads going over 40 on a regular basis, but, of course, being shutdown is not a good thing, except a few cases when the sudden load is the sign of an app crash.

I understand in a KS you can go over 4 load (the number of threads if you get the best CPU) and nobody will bother you, this is why I put this as a pro for KS.

sc754 · July 2013

@Maounique said:
I understand in a KS you can go over 4 load (the number of threads if you get the best CPU) and nobody will bother you, this is why I put this as a pro for KS.

It's good that you can, but then again do you want to always be monitoring your load? With KS you don't have to worry about monitoring your load and/or suspensions.

Maounique · July 2013

@sc754 said:
It's good that you can, but then again do you want to always be monitoring your load? With KS you don't have to worry about monitoring your load and/or suspensions.

Correct. I did say KS wins a point there. However, in a VPS with double the cpu power (at least), load will not be such an issue or the KS running the same program (which goes over 4 in an OVerZold) will be totally useless.

Snickertastic · July 2013

Holy crap I didn't think the prices would get that low

Droidzone · July 2013

@Maounique, how are we on a new LEB offer from @Prometeus? Looking forward to reinvesting my refund from OVH, in a better provider.

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