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Yeah, that's an automatic no-go in my eyes. If someone doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions, they can take their business elsewhere :P
So you don't pay anywhere by cash?
Sure I do. But when I pay cash for something, I'm looking the person in the eye, and I know exactly where I'm spending the money.
So you're more afraid of the seller (ie VPS provider) then. Because for the seller PaySafeCard is quite secure because you get the money without the ability for the payer to revoke. The argument for the buyer using PSC would be to be sure that his CC-info can't be stolen by someone. In this sense I guess PSC is quite good.
PSC acts like cash. Once you have it in your hand its yours.
I doubt it will fly when our overloads (Government) wants to track every transaction, no matter how large or small. egold was great like that too, look where they are now.
It seems like a good system for one-off payments, or playing it safe for a provider you're unsure about turning over your CC information to. Sadly, since there's no accountability, it wouldn't be an option for us though. I frequently use gateway logs in my audits for tracking down duplicate accounts, people trying to sign back up after being banned, etc.
Sure, that's the downside of cash or alike in general. It involves extra coordination in terms of accountability. But then again, how does MoneyGram or Western Union do it? Do they provide an API?
It's actually quite sad that there's no real cash alike product in the digital world available.
Cash is king, for a physical product or settle a debt, but for a service like a VPS, you are not coming into my house as an anonymous person. Be as anonymous over the net as you wish, but when the door knocks and someone in authority wants to know about you, with proper warrants in hand, you are being handed over to the man.
Well, I can fully understand that. But how do you know that the person using Mail In Payment is really the person pretending it is? (Apart from the fact that I'd never send cash via mail.)
I've met them.
We verify the mailing address. Still not a true solution but better than nothing.
We have accepted Western Union in the past, under the circumstance that the client is willing to provide proof of identity. WU payments are a bit of a pain to work into Fran's schedule, though, so we discontinued that some time ago.
That person has gone to quite a bit of trouble to do so
Well, so I guess distance payments always need a man-in-the-middle to handle and verify the payment.
That, of course, is super ridiculous.
Well, I've done it before. Simple really, when I sent £25 to @jtodd which was a one off and all I did was put a piece of paper in with my email address, phone number etc.
I think this option is good money via mail, I seperate my online money from my cash.
Then if i need anything just pay on a card, It works and It is easy.
Ok, let's say someone pays by cash, by mail; what if they spam or host illegal material. How are you going to track down the individual and proof it's their account?
That's assuming the authorities or your noc are requesting that info.
You still have to pass the fraud checks and what not. If the address you give is to a convenience store or the middle of the desert you will not pass. Or if no one with a name remotely like yours lives at the address you give you will not pass. I am sure the provider will check the information before they say yes you can send the payment in. Unless the provider is a rip off but then you need to research your host.
How would you know who lives at an address?
Reverse directory listings exist. Also many companies do background checks cheap. Public court record databases. Heck whitepages.com will usually give you some information.
Those are also the accounts you sit on until they prove that they're safe.
Never said I trusted those clients. They have to earn that trust.
Of course with so many stolen credit card accounts out there, even those shouldn't be considered safe.
That right there would probably scare me more then a cash transaction.
I ran a Kinko's for 9 months. We averaged 3-4 folks trying to copy money every day.
For about a year I used a PayPal account from another country with a datacenter's address on it and I never had any issues with hosts not accepting my payment. Why would someone accept that but not something like mailed cash?
(BTW, I never added any money to it, all I spent was ad income or donations)
Accounting probably. If it's a credit card, it's in the system. If it's cash, you have to handle it specially.
That sounds about like the people that live in this lovely little town I currently reside in lol.
No system is perfect and if the host did not have a fraud check, or not a good one then that is why. When you have a cash customer is it entirely up to the host to make sure your credentials check out. With paypal at least some of the duty of that SHOULD lie with them. I am not saying it DOES but I am saying that it SHOULD.
Pretty much. When @Infinity mailed me cash I had to physically go to the bank and deposit it, where they charged me a cash handling fee, then go back to the office and manually add the payment into the system.
Right, but what if something happened and I deny having sent you cash? Then what. Cash is still untraceable.