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If they would be dropping old technology why would they return it? That would just extend existing tech, not drop it.
Money saved is money realized in a corporation, and you have to consider opportunity cost, which is greater.
Leadership value, in this context, is applicable only to a tiny subset of corporations. Nobody gives a shit.
Apple alone can't kill off IPv4, or even come remotely close. The Internet is not a closed Apple ecosystem.
It's not a matter of anyone stepping up, that's been done. On the surface, IPv6 adoption is a technological problem, but underneath the smoke and mirrors it's a financial matter. Nobody relevant gives a shit what addressing scheme is used until it's felt on their bottom line. It's a chicken and egg situation if you think it about it carefully.
We've moved up 6 slots on the waiting list in the past few days, I'm pretty confident we'll get our IP allocation in the next 2 - 6 months.
It may be some years still until most ISPs are on board with IPv6. Like @Microlinux said, it all boils down to cost.
You're not thinking straight. You see an asset when what you really have is an expense. It's a money pit. Nothing is being "saved" in this situation; IPv4 is already dead. The only question is who is going to dump it first so that they can realize the opportunity value in doing so.
It's not a question of who gives a shit now. It's a question of what PR value can be had by taking a stand in the name of "future" technology. It's about being a big enough player to make people give a shit. Of all the organizations with a /8, it may only be Apple that has that kind of clout.
It's not a question of closed ecosystems. They didn't control the floppy disk, nor did their actions alone kill it off. It was just a question of reading the writing on the wall and then making a big public step in the right direction at the right time.
Who? Note that I'm not talking about the small gesture of returning a bunch of IPv4 addresses to the pool. It's not about yet again delaying the inevitable. I'm talking specifically about going to IPv6 and basically saying "Here, you can have this /8 back because we're going to make sure it's worthless in a year's time."
Have you thought about it carefully? Apple has a history of playing chicken and breaking all the eggs that the "bottom line" luddites all think they know so well. Don't pretend they act like any other company if you want to contemplate how their involvement might play out.
If you -own- IPv4 space that you can rent out at $1/mo/IP, it is not a "money pit" for you. It's only a "money pit" for others who don't have IPv4 space.
And my personal prediction is, in 12mo it will be $5/mo/IP or higher.
I hope not, I got a bet right now for a really nice steak dinner in Vegas that prices won't go up for at least another couple years, where as the person I bet with figures by spring time :P
Francisco
When Apple runs the internet, I'll remember to tell them you said that.
You're forgetting about IP Subnet leases and the second market.
A year from now we will probably see tightness in the ipv4 market and thus prices will rise.
And? Unless you got a very long term (5+ year) contract signed on your leases, those are going to go up since the company you rent from can easily get more from them.
Francisco
How you define class:
He stated in the next 12 months IP's were going to be $5 a piece. Thats the only comment I'm responding to. Nothing else..
They might be, some people charge a lot, but this does not mean it will be the average market price.
The Day The Routers Died...
I meant for new contracts of course. Obviously, if you already own IPv4's they are "free" for you (or at least dirt cheap). Except you should really have a scheme in place to make more than the going price in profit off of using them yourself, or you'd be better off just renting them out.
I think we'll see a scramble of rent/lease IP space customers and companies who actually have their own space. Regardless, will be interesting as we count down until IPv6 exhaustion once every fridge, light bulb and toaster are connected to the Internet.
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/64130/looking-for-vpses-with-10-to-20-ipv4-addresses-each
Some people don't believe this is happening it seems.
What I want to know is why consumer ISPs around the world haven't rushed to adopt IPv6. Most of the ISPs I know of have been telling customers that it's "coming soon" since about 2006.
A few very specialist, expensive business-oriented ISPs offer native IPv6, but the big boys just can't be bothered. Surely if they started their IPv6 planning and deployment way back in 2006, it should be online and working by now and we wouldn't all be panicking that these legacy IPv4 addresses are gone?
Really, can't they. http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/ipv4-depletion-not-the-beginning-of-the-end-its-just-the-end-of-the-beginning
It's egg and chicken problem. Most residential ISPs wouldn't care about ipv6 until many websites don't start using it. Many websites wouldn't care about ipv6 until many eyeballs start using it.
It's a problem google could easily solve with just a little FUD if they wanted to.
Suggesting we increase the max value in each quad from 255 to 300 or 400 until we sort this out.
Even if you would implement that, it's not IPv4 anymore and each ISP would need to implement it. Same problem as with IPv6
Easy. Most ISPs have got plenty of IPv4 address space or they move to PAT. Why should they invest if they don't need to?
HE's IP depletion chart: now 0 left.
https://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
Tons of IPs :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks
44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio Digital Communications
18.0.0.0/8 MIT
OMG
Guess it has a use? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet#Address_administration
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And then trademark it and sue anyone using the term IP