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ARIN IPs - Gone forever?

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  • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Host Rep

    impossiblystupid said: Apple in particular has never had an issue with dropping old technology when the time was right.

    If they would be dropping old technology why would they return it? That would just extend existing tech, not drop it.

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  • MicrolinuxMicrolinux Member

    @impossiblystupid said: Because it's not money any of those big organization can realize themselves

    Money saved is money realized in a corporation, and you have to consider opportunity cost, which is greater.

    @impossiblystupid said: And, like I said, compare it to the leadership value of saying "Come on, we should all be doing 128-bit addressing already!"

    Leadership value, in this context, is applicable only to a tiny subset of corporations. Nobody gives a shit.

    @impossiblystupid said: Apple in particular has never had an issue with dropping old technology when the time was right. They'd get another entry in all the history books for finally killing off IPv4

    Apple alone can't kill off IPv4, or even come remotely close. The Internet is not a closed Apple ecosystem.

    @impossiblystupid said: The writing is already on the wall, so it's really just a matter of who will be smart enough to step up first.

    It's not a matter of anyone stepping up, that's been done. On the surface, IPv6 adoption is a technological problem, but underneath the smoke and mirrors it's a financial matter. Nobody relevant gives a shit what addressing scheme is used until it's felt on their bottom line. It's a chicken and egg situation if you think it about it carefully.

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  • Steven_FSteven_F Member

    We've moved up 6 slots on the waiting list in the past few days, I'm pretty confident we'll get our IP allocation in the next 2 - 6 months.

  • ElixantTechnologyElixantTechnology Member

    It may be some years still until most ISPs are on board with IPv6. Like @Microlinux said, it all boils down to cost.

  • impossiblystupidimpossiblystupid Member

    @Microlinux said:
    Money saved is money realized in a corporation, and you have to consider opportunity cost, which is greater.

    You're not thinking straight. You see an asset when what you really have is an expense. It's a money pit. Nothing is being "saved" in this situation; IPv4 is already dead. The only question is who is going to dump it first so that they can realize the opportunity value in doing so.

    Nobody gives a shit.

    It's not a question of who gives a shit now. It's a question of what PR value can be had by taking a stand in the name of "future" technology. It's about being a big enough player to make people give a shit. Of all the organizations with a /8, it may only be Apple that has that kind of clout.

    Apple alone can't kill off IPv4, or even come remotely close. The Internet is not a closed Apple ecosystem.

    It's not a question of closed ecosystems. They didn't control the floppy disk, nor did their actions alone kill it off. It was just a question of reading the writing on the wall and then making a big public step in the right direction at the right time.

    It's not a matter of anyone stepping up, that's been done.

    Who? Note that I'm not talking about the small gesture of returning a bunch of IPv4 addresses to the pool. It's not about yet again delaying the inevitable. I'm talking specifically about going to IPv6 and basically saying "Here, you can have this /8 back because we're going to make sure it's worthless in a year's time."

    It's a chicken and egg situation if you think it about it carefully.

    Have you thought about it carefully? Apple has a history of playing chicken and breaking all the eggs that the "bottom line" luddites all think they know so well. Don't pretend they act like any other company if you want to contemplate how their involvement might play out.

  • singsingsingsing Member

    impossiblystupid said: You're not thinking straight. You see an asset when what you really have is an expense. It's a money pit. Nothing is being "saved" in this situation; IPv4 is already dead. The only question is who is going to dump it first so that they can realize the opportunity value in doing so.

    If you -own- IPv4 space that you can rent out at $1/mo/IP, it is not a "money pit" for you. It's only a "money pit" for others who don't have IPv4 space.

    And my personal prediction is, in 12mo it will be $5/mo/IP or higher.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @singsing said:
    And my personal prediction is, in 12mo it will be $5/mo/IP or higher.

    I hope not, I got a bet right now for a really nice steak dinner in Vegas that prices won't go up for at least another couple years, where as the person I bet with figures by spring time :P

    Francisco

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Microlinux said: The Internet is not a closed Apple ecosystem

    When Apple runs the internet, I'll remember to tell them you said that.

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  • OnraHostOnraHost Member

    @singsing said:
    And my personal prediction is, in 12mo it will be $5/mo/IP or higher.

    You're forgetting about IP Subnet leases and the second market.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    A year from now we will probably see tightness in the ipv4 market and thus prices will rise.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @OnraHost said:

    And? Unless you got a very long term (5+ year) contract signed on your leases, those are going to go up since the company you rent from can easily get more from them.

    Francisco

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    How you define class:

    Hi Jarland;

As you may have heard, ARIN officially issued out the very last of the available IP space earlier today.  What this means is that providers and companies will no longer be able to simply request additional IP space from ARIN to meet their needs for expansion.

One result of this is that several providers are already reclaiming IP space that was rented out to their clients in order to refill their own pools.  This has been a cause of concern from our own clients as well, so this notice will be our formal stance on the matter.

We just wanted to take the time to let you know that we will absolutely not be doing this to our clients - whether you are renting a single IP or large allocations from us.  So long as you continue leasing those IPs, they will remain in your possession, and will not be 'taken back' by us.

We also will not be raising the pricing on our IPs in the forseeable future.  And even if a time comes where we expect to raise the cost of additional IPv4 or DDoS-Protected IPs for our VPSes, existing services will never be raised from the price set upon purchase.  If you have DDoS-Protection or Additional IPv4 addresses for your service now, their costs will remain the same so long as the service is active.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out to us via our Support system at https://my.frantech.ca/, or directly via [email protected].  Thank you for your custom;  we never would have made it this far without all of our fantastic clients.

---
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Frantech Staff
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  • OnraHostOnraHost Member

    @Francisco said:

    He stated in the next 12 months IP's were going to be $5 a piece. Thats the only comment I'm responding to. Nothing else..

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    They might be, some people charge a lot, but this does not mean it will be the average market price.

  • Maximum_VPSMaximum_VPS Member

    The Day The Routers Died...

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  • singsingsingsing Member
    edited September 2015

    OnraHost said: He stated in the next 12 months IP's were going to be $5 a piece. Thats the only comment I'm responding to. Nothing else..

    I meant for new contracts of course. Obviously, if you already own IPv4's they are "free" for you (or at least dirt cheap). Except you should really have a scheme in place to make more than the going price in profit off of using them yourself, or you'd be better off just renting them out.

  • doughmanesdoughmanes Member

    I think we'll see a scramble of rent/lease IP space customers and companies who actually have their own space. Regardless, will be interesting as we count down until IPv6 exhaustion once every fridge, light bulb and toaster are connected to the Internet.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/64130/looking-for-vpses-with-10-to-20-ipv4-addresses-each

    Some people don't believe this is happening it seems.

  • VPSensationalVPSensational Member

    What I want to know is why consumer ISPs around the world haven't rushed to adopt IPv6. Most of the ISPs I know of have been telling customers that it's "coming soon" since about 2006.

    A few very specialist, expensive business-oriented ISPs offer native IPv6, but the big boys just can't be bothered. Surely if they started their IPv6 planning and deployment way back in 2006, it should be online and working by now and we wouldn't all be panicking that these legacy IPv4 addresses are gone?

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    VPSensational said: A few very specialist, expensive business-oriented ISPs offer native IPv6, but the big boys just can't be bothered.

    Really, can't they. http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/ipv4-depletion-not-the-beginning-of-the-end-its-just-the-end-of-the-beginning

    Over 70 percent and growing of Comcast broadband customers, residential and commercial, are actively provisioned with IPv6 support today.

  • HBAndreiHBAndrei Member, Top Host, Host Rep

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  • rds100rds100 Member

    VPSensational said: What I want to know is why consumer ISPs around the world haven't rushed to adopt IPv6. Most of the ISPs I know of have been telling customers that it's "coming soon" since about 2006.

    It's egg and chicken problem. Most residential ISPs wouldn't care about ipv6 until many websites don't start using it. Many websites wouldn't care about ipv6 until many eyeballs start using it.

    It's a problem google could easily solve with just a little FUD if they wanted to.

  • jhjh Member

    Suggesting we increase the max value in each quad from 255 to 300 or 400 until we sort this out.

    ;)

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  • patrick7patrick7 Member, LIR

    Even if you would implement that, it's not IPv4 anymore and each ISP would need to implement it. Same problem as with IPv6

  • tomletomle Member, LIR

    @VPSensational said:
    What I want to know is why consumer ISPs around the world haven't rushed to adopt IPv6. Most of the ISPs I know of have been telling customers that it's "coming soon" since about 2006.

    A few very specialist, expensive business-oriented ISPs offer native IPv6, but the big boys just can't be bothered. Surely if they started their IPv6 planning and deployment way back in 2006, it should be online and working by now and we wouldn't all be panicking that these legacy IPv4 addresses are gone?

    Easy. Most ISPs have got plenty of IPv4 address space or they move to PAT. Why should they invest if they don't need to?

  • gibstergibster Member

    @emg said:
    Source?

    HE's IP depletion chart: now 0 left.
    https://ipv6.he.net/statistics/

  • qhosterqhoster Member

    Tons of IPs :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks

    44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio Digital Communications
    18.0.0.0/8 MIT

    OMG :)

  • linuxthefishlinuxthefish Member

    @qhoster said:
    Tons of IPs :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks

    44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio Digital Communications
    18.0.0.0/8 MIT

    OMG :)

    Guess it has a use? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet#Address_administration

  • hostnoobhostnoob Member

    raindog308 said: They'd call it iProtocol

    >

    And then trademark it and sue anyone using the term IP

  • hostnoobhostnoob Member

    @patrick7 said:
    Even if you would implement that, it's not IPv4 anymore and each ISP would need to implement it. Same problem as with IPv6

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