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Online.net Announce NL Location

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  • RizRiz Member

    @salakis said:
    This thread is another perfect proof of how terrible the peering of Liberty Global / UPC really is.

    Telefonica O2 Germany ADSL: ~38ms, 16 hops (also backhauled via Paris/Vitry-sur-Seine)

    So they just setup new racks in NL, and backhauled everything through Paris?

    Not surprised with it being online.net..

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  • teamaccteamacc Member
    edited May 2016

    Network is ridiculous, here's a trace:

    1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms DD-WRT [192.168.2.1]

    2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms redacted

    3 7 ms 21 ms 28 ms gn-rc0002-cr102-xe-0-1-4-0.core.as9143.net [213.51.184.214]

    4 16 ms 47 ms 26 ms asd-tr0610-cr101-ae2-0.core.as9143.net [213.51.158.16]

    5 * * * Request timed out.

    6 12 ms 12 ms 11 ms nl-ams04a-ri2-xe-10-0-0.aorta.net [84.116.130.178]

    7 21 ms 11 ms 11 ms ix-ae-16-0.tcore2.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net [80.231.152.33]

    8 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms if-ae-2-2.tcore1.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net [195.219.194.5]

    9 22 ms 24 ms 23 ms if-ae-15-7.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.105]

    10 23 ms 23 ms 19 ms if-ae-30-2.thar2.VI8-Vitry-Sur-Seine.as6453.net [5.23.25.5]

    11 23 ms 24 ms * 5.23.25.18

    12 116 ms 117 ms 117 ms bb2-dc3-bb1.ams1.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.220]

    13 117 ms 118 ms 117 ms 195.154.1.185

    14 122 ms 123 ms 121 ms 163-172-209-20.rev.poneytelecom.eu [163.172.209.20]

    so it goes from me, through amsterdam, through paris, to amsterdam.
    gg.

  • ManofServerManofServer Member

    Perhaps they set up the NL location not for network benefits, but for TOS/law benefits.

    Maybe they'll be more lenient towards P2P or other riskier activities.

  • cassacassa Member

    salakis said: This thread is another perfect proof of how terrible the peering of Liberty Global / UPC really is.

    Exactly. I just was at a location that uses UPC as a provider, ping was at least 130 ms.

  • hawkjohn7hawkjohn7 Member
    edited May 2016

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Got a quick benchmark:

    Still SATA2?

  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member

    @hawkjohn7 said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Got a quick benchmark:

    Still SATA2?

    Yeah SATA2.

  • hawkjohn7hawkjohn7 Member

    Online already restock their XC and SC 2016 series

  • SpacedustSpacedust Member

    Pings from Poland:

    • Online.net France - 45 ms
    • Online.net Netherlands - 40 ms
    • Leaseweb.com Netherlands - 25 ms (really good !)
    • Hetzner.de Germany - 48 ms
    • OVH.net France - 42 ms
  • SpacedustSpacedust Member

    It seems they fixed something - new route and much lower ping now:

    1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms AIRPORT-TIME-CA [192.168.1.1] 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.11.0.1 3 17 ms 8 ms 7 ms rt1-potockiej-vlan501.core.icpnet.pl [62.21.99.1 53] 4 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms rt1-oswiecenia-vlan501.core.icpnet.pl [62.21.99. 154] 5 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms e123-17.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.17] 6 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms e91-106.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.106] 7 9 ms 7 ms 7 ms e91-97.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.97] 8 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms e123-14.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.14] 9 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms e123-22.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.22] 10 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms rt1-przybyszewskiego-vlan503.core.icpnet.pl [62. 21.99.162] 11 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms rev-193.111.37.117.atman.pl [193.111.37.117] 12 29 ms 29 ms 33 ms 80.249.212.93 13 30 ms 31 ms 29 ms 163-172-209-1.rev.poneytelecom.eu [163.172.209.1 ]

  • boerndboernd Member
    edited July 2016 
                                                     Packets               Pings
 Host                                          Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. fritz.box                                  95.0%    21    0.4   0.4   0.4   0.4   0.0
 2. ???
 3. 7211A-MX960-01-ae10-1039.gie.unity-media.n  0.0%    21    8.5  12.9   6.7  31.6   8.8
 4. 84.116.196.226                              0.0%    21   87.9  91.2  87.3 111.3   5.9
 5. ???
 6. 84.116.140.174                              0.0%    21   89.7  89.7  88.3  91.4   0.9
 7. us-nyc03a-ri1-ae10-0.aorta.net              0.0%    21   88.3  89.1  88.0  90.7   0.8
 8. nyk-b3-link.telia.net                       0.0%    21  106.4 106.0 105.1 107.6   0.6
 9. be1299.ccr21.jfk04.atlas.cogentco.com       0.0%    21  107.4 106.4 105.8 107.4   0.4
10. be2325.ccr42.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com       0.0%    21  107.0 107.8 106.0 110.4   1.3
11. be2490.ccr42.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com       0.0%    21  177.9 177.6 175.6 190.3   3.4
12. be12488.ccr42.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com      0.0%    20  188.1 188.1 186.6 197.7   2.4
13. be2298.ccr21.ams06.atlas.cogentco.com       0.0%    20  186.4 185.7 184.7 187.9   0.8
14. online.demarc.cogentco.com                  0.0%    20  102.2 102.0 101.2 103.5   0.7
15. 163-172-209-1.rev.poneytelecom.eu           0.0%    20  100.8 101.2 100.5 103.5   0.7

    Still 100ms from Germany (UPC/unitymedia)

  • SpacedustSpacedust Member

    It goes via New York City. UPC is shitty ;) I wonder why it goes from Telia to Cogent.

  • sinsin Member

    Online.net Dedibox SC SSD 2016 in AMS1:

    Benchmark started on Thu Jul 28 14:36:42 EDT 2016
Full benchmark log: /root/bench.log

System Info
-----------
Processor   : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  C2350  @ 1.74GHz
CPU Cores   : 2
Frequency   : 1745.624 MHz
Memory      : 3914 MB
Swap        :  MB
Uptime      : 37 min,

OS      : Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
Arch        : x86_64 (64 Bit)
Kernel      : 4.4.0-31-generic
Hostname    : dedibox-ams


Speedtest (IPv4 only)
---------------------
Your public IPv4 is online.net

Location        Provider    Speed
CDN         Cachefly    197MB/s

Atlanta, GA, US     Coloat      12.3MB/s 
Dallas, TX, US      Softlayer   11.9MB/s 
Seattle, WA, US     Softlayer   10.2MB/s 
San Jose, CA, US    Softlayer   10.4MB/s 
Washington, DC, US  Softlayer   18.7MB/s 

Tokyo, Japan        Linode      9.58MB/s 
Singapore       Softlayer   4.74MB/s 

Rotterdam, Netherlands  id3.net     117MB/s
Haarlem, Netherlands    Leaseweb    145MB/s 


Disk Speed
----------
I/O (1st run)   : 137 MB/s
I/O (2nd run)   : 138 MB/s
I/O (3rd run)   : 137 MB/s
Average I/O : 137.333 MB/s
  • SpacedustSpacedust Member

    Still on SATA2 or SATA3 ?

  • joerijoeri Member, Host Rep, LIR

    When will Online.net or UPC fix this problem ?

  • mosan7763mosan7763 Member

    Maybe never. Just to limit the bw of all those seedboxes a bit.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited August 2016

    joeri said: When will Online.net or UPC fix this problem ?

    Trusted sources say UPC demands money from Online.net for peering -- i.e. using whatever quasi-monopoly position they might have, for extortion. Switch away from UPC (or from any ISP which uses UPC as their upstream). They are basically the same as China Telecom/Unicom.

    Thanked by 2netomx JustRefleX
  • kbfrkbfr Member

    Got a ping of 210 ms from UPC (amsterdam) to online.net (amsterdam) :(

  • RazzaRazza Member
    edited August 2016

    @kbfr said:
    Got a ping of 210 ms from UPC (amsterdam) to online.net (amsterdam) :(

    210 ms what a joke, the isp i use Virgin Media bought by Liberty Global in 2013 who also own's UPC, luckily doesn't use UPC as a upstream i get 31ms ping to online.net Amsterdam

  • cassacassa Member

    @rm_ said:

    joeri said: When will Online.net or UPC fix this problem ?

    Trusted sources say UPC demands money from Online.net for peering -- i.e. using whatever quasi-monopoly position they might have, for extortion. Switch away from UPC (or from any ISP which uses UPC as their upstream). They are basically the same as China Telecom/Unicom.

    Unfortunately UPC/Ziggo is the only DOCSIS provider and fiber isn't widely available yet. So it's 10mbit/s or UPC/Ziggo at 200Mbit/s

  • boerndboernd Member

    @Razza said:

    @kbfr said:
    Got a ping of 210 ms from UPC (amsterdam) to online.net (amsterdam) :(

    210 ms what a joke, the isp i use Virgin Media bought by Liberty Global in 2013 who also own's UPC, luckily doesn't use UPC as a upstream i get 31ms ping to online.net Amsterdam

    Sooner or later they will, It was the same with unitymedia germany which is also owned by Liberty Global.
    They once had their own AS, now they are only using AS6830 as upstream.

    Thanked by 1salakis
  • tr1ckytr1cky Member
    edited August 2016

    Still love my local ISP:

    |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                  bras-vc2.netcologne.de -    0 |    5 |    5 |   14 |   14 |   15 |   14 |
|                  bras-vc2.netcologne.de -    0 |    5 |    5 |   14 |   14 |   15 |   14 |
|         ip-core-sto1-ae12.netcologne.de -    0 |    5 |    5 |   13 |   13 |   14 |   14 |
|                           81.173.192.18 -    0 |    5 |    5 |   18 |   18 |   18 |   18 |
|                           80.249.212.93 -    0 |    5 |    5 |   19 |   19 |   19 |   19 |
|       163-172-209-1.rev.poneytelecom.eu -    0 |    5 |    5 |   18 |   19 |   20 |   19 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

    Pretty much direct connection to AMSIX from Germany.

  • joerijoeri Member, Host Rep, LIR

    Hello,

    Our network team is already working on this issue, however we don't have any ETA yet as it depends on upc.

    From Online.net

  • teamaccteamacc Member

    If this is about the NL UPC, they dropped the name UPC. Named Ziggo now.

  • joerijoeri Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @teamacc said:
    If this is about the NL UPC, they dropped the name UPC. Named Ziggo now.

    Yes, the company behind Ziggo is Global Liberty http://www.libertyglobal.com/

    But the network is named as UPC Liberty

  • InglarInglar Member
    edited August 2016

    http://pastebin.com/1MGx5bE8

    http://pastebin.com/EuhwXLdT

  • mosan7763mosan7763 Member

    @Inglar said:
    http://pastebin.com/1MGx5bE8

    http://pastebin.com/EuhwXLdT

    ssd i presume? or why the big difference between wget and the disk speed bench?

  • yomeroyomero Member

    @mosan7763 said:
    ssd i presume? or why the big difference between wget and the disk speed bench?

    That wget tests go to /dev/null, so, nothing have to do with the disk.

  • InglarInglar Member

    No, 1TB HDD.

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2016

    Thats probably for the best, lets see if cheap NL bandwidth is any better than cheap French bandwidth.

    FR->UK has been spotty all day (tested from three different french networks).

                                 My traceroute  [v0.85]
*** (0.0.0.0)                             Wed Aug  3 07:31:17 2016
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
                                       Packets               Pings
 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. rbx1-4a-vr.fr.eu                 22.7%    22    0.2   0.2   0.2   0.2   0.0
 2. vl163.rbx-g2-a75.fr.eu            0.0%    22    0.2   0.2   0.2   0.3   0.0
 3. be10-20.rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu           0.0%    22    4.6   1.3   0.7   4.6   0.8
 4. ???
 5. 195.66.226.25                    76.2%    22    4.9   4.9   4.9   5.0   0.0
 6. ???

    Plenty of other traffic going through that IX w/o issue. Probably some french fiber trouble. I've lost track of the number of strange routing issues in France I've seen.

  • TheLinuxBugTheLinuxBug Member

    You know, I was thinking I wouldn't mind testing their Amsterdam location but then I see every server they have has 20 Euro setup. For some reason I just can't see spending that type of money to test a network out. Has the routing actually gotten any better since the start? I see they peer AMS-IX but do they have any other good peering besides back through their France infrastructure?

    Anyone have any test files which can be downloaded to test their network?

    Cheers!

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