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  • ZappieZappie Member, Host Rep, LIR

    Now I get how OneProvider all of a sudden can offer unmetered 1Gbit/s sub 20EUR/mo

  • Pings from Poland:

    NL - 39-41 ms
    FR - 44-47 ms (was 39 before)

  • cassacassa Member

    Home (NL) <-> Dedibox (NL): 2 - 3 ms

  • SpacedustSpacedust Member
    edited May 2016

    See the routes - it seems it goes via Paris:

    AMSTERDAM

    >   1    <1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  AIRPORT-TIME-CA [192.168.1.1]
    >   2     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms  10.11.0.1
    >   3     7 ms     8 ms     7 ms  e123-18.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.18]
    >   4     8 ms     8 ms     7 ms  e123-17.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.17]
    >   5     8 ms     8 ms     6 ms  e91-106.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.106]
    >   6     7 ms    10 ms     7 ms  e91-97.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.97]
    >   7     6 ms     7 ms     6 ms  pzn-b1-link.telia.net [62.115.41.229]
    >   8    34 ms    36 ms    33 ms  ffm-bb4-link.telia.net [80.91.251.140]
    >   9    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  prs-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.143.195]
    >  10    45 ms    43 ms    44 ms  prs-b7-link.telia.net [213.155.132.193]
    >  11    45 ms    45 ms    47 ms  online-ic-315750-prs-b7.c.telia.net [62.115.63.9
    > 8]
    >  12    41 ms    41 ms    41 ms  bb1-dc3-bb1.ams1.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.216]
    > 
    >  13    39 ms    40 ms    41 ms  195.154.1.185
    

    and PARIS

    >   1    <1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  AIRPORT-TIME-CA [192.168.1.1]
    >   2     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  10.11.0.1
    >   3     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  e123-18.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.18]
    >   4     8 ms     7 ms     7 ms  e123-17.icpnet.pl [46.238.123.17]
    >   5     6 ms     7 ms     9 ms  e91-106.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.106]
    >   6     5 ms     7 ms     9 ms  e91-97.icpnet.pl [46.238.91.97]
    >   7     6 ms     6 ms     7 ms  pzn-b1-link.telia.net [62.115.41.229]
    >   8    33 ms    33 ms    33 ms  ffm-bb4-link.telia.net [80.91.251.138]
    >   9    44 ms    45 ms    45 ms  prs-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.112.122]
    >  10    44 ms    45 ms    44 ms  prs-b7-link.telia.net [213.155.134.221]
    >  11    49 ms    45 ms    45 ms  online-ic-315750-prs-b7.c.telia.net [62.115.63.9
    > 8]
    >  12    47 ms    45 ms    47 ms  195.154.1.239
    
  • hawchawc Moderator, LIR

    To me, it's pretty pointless unless you are in NL

  • boerndboernd Member
                                                         Packets               Pings
     Host                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
     1. fritz.box                                      98.9%    89    0.6   0.6   0.6   0.6   0.0
     2. ???
     3. 81.210.137.244                                  0.0%    89   20.3   9.5   6.2  42.5   6.8
     4. 84.116.196.226                                  0.0%    89    8.8  15.0   4.6  44.7  10.0
     5. de-fra03b-ri1-ae5-0.aorta.net                   0.0%    89    8.1   9.7   7.6  27.9   3.7
     6. ix-ae-27-0.tcore1.FR0-Frankfurt.as6453.net      0.0%    89   17.1  18.4  16.6  33.2   2.5
     7. if-ae-4-2.tcore2.FNM-Frankfurt.as6453.net       0.0%    89   35.6  19.4  17.3  38.0   3.1
     8. if-ae-9-2.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net          13.5%    89   18.9  18.8  17.1  37.3   2.3
     9. if-ae-34-2.thar1.VI8-Vitry-Sur-Seine.as6453.ne  0.0%    89   18.5  18.7  15.7  30.8   2.1
    10. 5.23.24.22                                      0.0%    89   18.9  19.3  17.7  24.5   1.3
    11. bb1-dc3-bb1.ams1.poneytelecom.eu                0.0%    88  100.5 100.4  98.4 120.7   3.1
    12. 195.154.1.185                                   0.0%    88   99.3  99.4  97.1 113.7   1.8
    

    100ms from Germany

  • MadMad Member

    Nice, the prices are competitive.

  • tommytommy Member
    Start: Fri May 13 10:03:52 2016
    HOST: localhost.localdomain       Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1.|-- gateway                    0.0%    10    1.4   6.8   1.4  40.9  12.3
      2.|-- 36.70.24.1                 0.0%    10   12.6  55.3   2.6 251.4  73.3
      3.|-- 121.subnet125-160-11.spee  0.0%    10    2.3   8.9   2.0  40.1  12.9
      4.|-- 61.94.171.69               0.0%    10    4.5   3.3   2.3   5.6   0.9
      5.|-- 180.240.193.42             0.0%    10   28.4  39.2  28.4  89.3  18.0
      6.|-- 180.240.193.41             0.0%    10   22.5  25.4  22.5  32.9   3.6
      7.|-- 180.240.192.18             0.0%    10  214.2 216.0 214.2 220.3   1.7
      8.|-- amsix.poneytelecom.eu      0.0%    10  270.8 296.2 270.8 393.4  48.5
      9.|-- 195.154.1.185              0.0%    10  270.6 273.1 270.6 282.2   3.4
    
    ### 
    
    Start: Fri May 13 10:06:35 2016
    HOST: localhost.localdomain       Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1.|-- gateway                    0.0%    10    2.4   2.6   1.2   6.4   1.6
      2.|-- 36.70.24.1                 0.0%    10    4.1  57.7   3.0 498.2 154.9
      3.|-- 121.subnet125-160-11.spee  0.0%    10    3.5  16.6   2.4 125.7  38.4
      4.|-- 61.94.171.69               0.0%    10    3.1   8.3   2.0  54.2  16.2
      5.|-- 180.240.193.46             0.0%    10   33.2  31.9  26.8  35.3   3.1
      6.|-- 180.240.193.45             0.0%    10   44.4  21.1  16.6  44.4   8.7
      7.|-- 180.240.192.18             0.0%    10  214.4 215.3 214.3 217.0   0.6
      8.|-- amsix.poneytelecom.eu      0.0%    10  271.3 272.4 271.2 274.3   0.9
      9.|-- bb1-ams1-bb2.dc3.poneytel 10.0%    10  214.4 215.1 214.4 217.4   0.8
     10.|-- bb1-bb2-be12876.dc3.poney  0.0%    10  221.5 213.6 211.9 221.5   2.8
     11.|-- 195.154.1.239              0.0%    10  212.6 214.2 212.6 218.0   1.9
    
    

    not too bad

  • AmitzAmitz Member
    edited May 2016

    @boernd said:
    100ms from Germany

    Grotesque! It should be WAY less.

  • rds100rds100 Member

    boernd said: 1. fritz.box

    That hostname though... :)

    Thanked by 3Falzo boernd bashlyk
  • vfusevfuse Member, Host Rep

    Traceroute from amsterdam ;)

    traceroute to 195.154.1.185 (195.154.1.185), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
     1  10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1)  0.881 ms  1.159 ms  0.818 ms
     2  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  1.613 ms  1.344 ms  1.294 ms
     3  10.15.115.129 (10.15.115.129)  10.381 ms  10.698 ms  13.604 ms
     4  212.142.62.105 (212.142.62.105)  11.984 ms  17.252 ms  12.824 ms
     5  nl-ams05a-rc1-ae7-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.1)  12.106 ms  17.008 ms  12.389 ms
     6  nl-ams09b-ri1-ae6-0.aorta.net (84.116.134.109)  14.931 ms  11.774 ms  12.563 ms
     7  ix-ae-16-0.tcore2.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (80.231.152.33)  14.854 ms  11.815 ms  17.199 ms
     8  if-ae-2-2.tcore1.av2-amsterdam.as6453.net (195.219.194.5)  23.139 ms  44.404 ms  24.811 ms
     9  if-ae-15-2.tcore1.pye-paris.as6453.net (195.219.194.146)  25.056 ms
        if-ae-15-4.tcore1.pye-paris.as6453.net (80.231.154.53)  30.459 ms  27.010 ms
    10  if-ae-30-2.thar2.vi8-vitry-sur-seine.as6453.net (5.23.25.5)  24.809 ms  24.436 ms  29.870 ms
    11  5.23.25.18 (5.23.25.18)  25.076 ms  24.305 ms  24.960 ms
    12  bb2-dc3-bb1.ams1.poneytelecom.eu (195.154.1.220)  124.871 ms  119.099 ms  125.217 ms
    13  195.154.1.185 (195.154.1.185)  120.704 ms  123.577 ms  121.004 ms
    
    Thanked by 1Kris
  • RadiRadi Host Rep, Veteran

    Route goes Amsterdam >> Paris >> Amsterdam. :O

    Thanked by 1vimalware
  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @rds100 said:
    fritz.box

    ein deutsches Qualitätsprodukt: http://avm.de/ ;-)

    Thanked by 2rds100 Ympker
  • AmitzAmitz Member

    Fritz Box, one of the best home routers around!

  • tr1ckytr1cky Member

    @Amitz said:
    Fritz Box, one of the best home routers around!

    Or one of the priciest home routers.

    Thanked by 1paily
  • AmitzAmitz Member

    @tr1cky said:

    @Amitz said:
    Fritz Box, one of the best home routers around!

    Or one of the priciest home routers.

    Maybe. But they never disappointed me. There are surely other very good routers around, but I would always get a FritzBox if I can.

  • tr1ckytr1cky Member

    Amitz said: Maybe. But they never disappointed me. There are surely other very good routers around, but I would always get a FritzBox if I can.

    Well, if your ISP forces you to pay 20€ to get an old Fritz Box with only 802,11n 2.4Ghz WiFi and you have to put another router besides it to get decent WiFi, then you question what you need that Fritz Box for.

  • AmitzAmitz Member
    edited May 2016

    Absolutely! But your provider obviously sucks then... ;-) Can't blame that on AVM.

  • TsuyoTsuyo Member
                                           Packets               Pings
     Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
     1. fritz.box                         0.0%    38    0.7   0.6   0.5   0.8   0.0
     2. lo0.dr12.d12.xs4all.net           0.0%    38    9.8   8.9   7.0  34.6   4.4
     3. 0.ae22.xr3.3d12.xs4all.net        0.0%    38    7.3   7.4   7.1   8.8   0.2
     4. asd2-rou-1044.NL.eurorings.net    0.0%    38    7.4   7.6   7.0  14.4   1.1
     5. asd-s5-rou-1041.NL.eurorings.net  0.0%    38    7.4   7.7   7.4   8.9   0.2
     6. adm-b5-link.telia.net             0.0%    38    7.5   7.8   7.3  10.6   0.4
     7. adm-bb4-link.telia.net            0.0%    38    7.8   8.4   7.7  18.8   2.2
     8. prs-bb2-link.telia.net            0.0%    38   19.9  32.5  19.8 132.9  27.5
     9. prs-b7-link.telia.net             0.0%    38   21.1  21.1  19.9  40.6   3.4
        prs-b7-link.telia.net
        prs-b7-link.telia.net
        prs-b7-link.telia.net
    10. ???
    

    Traceroute from my home connection. My ISP has set some high weight on trying to route as much traffic over their own Eurorings (AS286) network, which I've found to be loving EU > Atlantic Ocean > US > Pacific Ocean > Asia routes, while the IPv6 traffic is properly routed via France and India.

  • I wonder people are still buying with them.

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @lifehome said:
    I wonder people are still buying with them.

    It's cheap, and that's the only criteria for some.

  • BasilBasil Member

    They've had the NL location on their weathermap for a few months, just missing a label.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Clouvider said:

    @lifehome said:
    I wonder people are still buying with them.

    It's cheap, and that's the only criteria for some.

    Not the only criteria for all their customers.

    They provide a decent service, had been around for a long time, can actually maintain power and cooling, have relatively liberal abuse policies, some DDoS protection, decent connectivity to nearly everywhere except DTAG/UPC, and support while not being good is fast enough for the price.

    In my book they are certainly better than most of the budget or even "average" dedi providers.

    Can I get a better service from a provider with a better network and support personnel? Certainly, but I'd need a substantially bigger budget, not even counting the unmetered bandwidth and DDoS protection. And that would actually make some of my projects unsustainable.

    So people can hate as much as they want, but Online.net is a great bang for the buck. If only the support was a bit more reliable...

  • mikmakmikmak Member

    @nyr you should not have any issues with DTAG, I am interested if you do ... UPC has a bad peering policy these days, hard to fix that ....

    Thanked by 1ManofServer
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    mikmak said: you should not have any issues with DTAG, I am interested if you do ...

    I did have problems months ago. Nowadays I don't push much traffic to DTAG so I guess the situation could've improved.

    mikmak said: you should not have any issues with DTAG, I am interested if you do ... UPC has a bad peering policy these days, hard to fix that ....

    I actually prefer to keep paying low prices than to pay ISPs which don't want to peer ;)

  • fitvpnfitvpn Member

    Huge setup fees still exist

  • Seems they added some cogent in AMS aswel.

  • Got a quick benchmark:

    System Info
    -----------
    Processor       : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  C2350  @ 1.74GHz
    CPU Cores       : 2
    Frequency       : 1745.626 MHz
    Memory          : 3928 MB
    Swap            : 976 MB
    Uptime          : 13 min,
    
    OS              : Debian GNU/Linux 8
    Arch            : x86_64 (64 Bit)
    Kernel          : 3.16.0-4-amd64
    Hostname        : 
    
    
    Speedtest (IPv4 only)
    ---------------------
    Your public IPv4 is
    
    Location                Provider        Speed
    CDN                     Cachefly        84.0MB/s
    
    Atlanta, GA, US         Coloat          12.2MB/s
    Dallas, TX, US          Softlayer       10.6MB/s
    Seattle, WA, US         Softlayer       2.32MB/s
    San Jose, CA, US        Softlayer       8.13MB/s
    Washington, DC, US      Softlayer       14.6MB/s
    
    Tokyo, Japan            Linode          8.00MB/s
    Singapore               Softlayer       6.40MB/s
    
    Rotterdam, Netherlands  id3.net         56.2MB/s
    Haarlem, Netherlands    Leaseweb        154MB/s
    
    
    Disk Speed
    ----------
    I/O (1st run)   : 133 MB/s
    I/O (2nd run)   : 133 MB/s
    I/O (3rd run)   : 133 MB/s
    Average I/O     : 133 MB/s
    

    Same server in Paris:

    System Info
    -----------
    Processor       : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  C2350  @ 1.74GHz
    CPU Cores       : 2
    Frequency       : 1745.624 MHz
    Memory          : 3928 MB
    Swap            : 976 MB
    Uptime          : 52 days, 22:37,
    
    OS              : Debian GNU/Linux 8
    Arch            : x86_64 (64 Bit)
    Kernel          : 3.16.0-4-amd64
    Hostname        : 
    
    
    Speedtest (IPv4 only)
    ---------------------
    Your public IPv4 is 
    
    Location                Provider        Speed
    CDN                     Cachefly        97.3MB/s
    
    Atlanta, GA, US         Coloat          15.1MB/s
    Dallas, TX, US          Softlayer       6.86MB/s
    Seattle, WA, US         Softlayer       11.3MB/s
    San Jose, CA, US        Softlayer       10.3MB/s
    Washington, DC, US      Softlayer       3.55MB/s
    
    Tokyo, Japan            Linode          9.87MB/s
    Singapore               Softlayer       5.72MB/s
    
    Rotterdam, Netherlands  id3.net         9.09MB/s
    Haarlem, Netherlands    Leaseweb        44.4MB/s
    
    
    Disk Speed
    ----------
    I/O (1st run)   : 140 MB/s
    I/O (2nd run)   : 135 MB/s
    I/O (3rd run)   : 135 MB/s
    Average I/O     : 136.667 MB/s
    
  • salakissalakis Member

    This thread is another perfect proof of how terrible the peering of Liberty Global / UPC really is.

    Telefonica O2 Germany ADSL: ~38ms, 16 hops (also backhauled via Paris/Vitry-sur-Seine)

    Thanked by 1inthecloudblog
  • tr0gd0rtr0gd0r Member

    Does anyone have a test IP for their NL location? The ones posted earlier don't seem to respond anymore.

    Thanked by 1ManofServer
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