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VPSCrossing / ColocrossingVPS expands to Atlanta
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None. It's the perfect example of ideal free market economics where markets regulate themselves and push out those who have nothing to offer. If you're a generic VPS company who's only appeal is pricing, along comes ChicagoVPS to slowly wipe you out or force you to innovate or diversify. So long as ChicagoVPS is playing within fair rules, that being the use of their resources or contacts to achieve competitive pricing, they will likely do every company that survives a favor by thinning the supply. This increases the overhead (due to seemingly increased demand) for those companies and creates more jobs and more overall economic output, which of course ends in more prosperous and stable VPS companies in the market.
BGP routing table entry for 198.23.228.0/22 Paths: (2 available, best #1) 3549 3549 4436 36352 AS-path translation: { GBLX GBLX NLAYER Colocrossing-AS } edge4.Amsterdam1 (metric 2000) Origin IGP, metric 100000, localpref 88, valid, internal, best Community: Europe Lclprf_86 Netherlands Level3_Peer Amsterdam 3549:4455 3549:8031 3549:8050 3549:8061 3549:8071 3549:8090 3549:8151 3549:8161 3549:8171 3549:8200 3549:8211 3549:8222 3549:8241 3549:8261 3549:8271 3549:8281 3549:30840 4436:41923 Originator: edge4.Amsterdam1 3549 3549 4436 36352 AS-path translation: { GBLX GBLX NLAYER Colocrossing-AS } edge4.Amsterdam1 (metric 2000) Origin IGP, metric 100000, localpref 88, valid, internal Community: Europe Lclprf_86 Netherlands Level3_Peer Amsterdam 3549:4455 3549:8031 3549:8050 3549:8061 3549:8071 3549:8090 3549:8151 3549:8161 3549:8171 3549:8200 3549:8211 3549:8222 3549:8241 3549:8261 3549:8271 3549:8281 3549:30840 4436:41923 Originator: edge4.Amsterdam1core1.fmt1.he.net> show ip bgp routes detail 198.23.229.130 Number of BGP Routes matching display condition : 17 S:SUPPRESSED F:FILTERED s:STALE 1 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: BI, Age: 3d4h32m30s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.176.13, Metric: 15, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.165 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 1, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 2 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m32s NEXT_HOP: 206.223.116.61, Metric: 16, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.164 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 1, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 3 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m33s NEXT_HOP: 206.223.123.61, Metric: 100, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.166 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 4 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m33s NEXT_HOP: 206.223.119.61, Metric: 540, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.168 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 5 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m33s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.118.91, Metric: 701, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.171 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 6 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 2d3h13m55s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.160.53, Metric: 706, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.194 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 S:SUPPRESSED F:FILTERED s:STALE 7 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m32s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.132.68, Metric: 668, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.150 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 8 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m30s NEXT_HOP: 206.126.115.21, Metric: 711, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.148 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 9 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m30s NEXT_HOP: 206.126.236.61, Metric: 680, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.169 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 10 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m30s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.181.33, Metric: 690, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.147 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 11 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m30s NEXT_HOP: 198.32.124.243, Metric: 798, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.177 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 12 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m29s NEXT_HOP: 206.81.80.218, Metric: 226, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.176 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 S:SUPPRESSED F:FILTERED s:STALE 13 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m29s NEXT_HOP: 206.223.143.150, Metric: 101, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.178 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 14 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m29s NEXT_HOP: 80.81.194.38, Metric: 1570, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.174 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 15 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m27s NEXT_HOP: 206.223.118.61, Metric: 468, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.167 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 16 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m26s NEXT_HOP: 195.66.224.37, Metric: 1481, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.172 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 17 Prefix: 198.23.228.0/22, Status: I, Age: 3d4h32m26s NEXT_HOP: 195.69.145.219, Metric: 1560, Learned from Peer: 216.218.252.173 (6939) LOCAL_PREF: 100, MED: 20, ORIGIN: igp, Weight: 0 AS_PATH: 4436 36352 Last update to IP routing table: 3d4h32m30s, 1 path(s) installed: # Entry cached for another 32 seconds.@Jack, the Front Range Hosting offer is 2 in two months.
In the past year, they've had 4 offers posted. That's the maximum of reasonable, one per quarter, although they weren't spaced out evenly.
I agree though, too many recent offers from Front Range also.
@gsrdgrdghd
While it gives you (as me) a price advantage (if you are only buying on price alone), what it does is unfairly stack the market. Near term it pushes other lower price offers out of the market and destroys those companies viability (i.e. we can't give away a 3GB VPS for $5 a month). That in turn means fewer offers in the LEB/LET buying range.
Now if we view that sort of thing as good, let's go thermonuclear already
It give the perception that many superior but higher priced companies like say Catalyst are "overpriced". The apples-to-apples plan resource comparison gives that result and that is further pushed by what Chris comes and says. Since virtual servers are so hard to spec test inside a container and 15 minutes from now performance can go to none, it's a very crooked and hard to prove game.
It also means, that to compete at China-like price dumping many VPS providers will end up running to Colocrossing to attempt to replicate the price formula or at least get near it. CC disproportionately will have more VPS containers deployed directly plus through resellers than a similarly sized company supposedly not even in this industry segment.
Net result it bolsters Colocrossing on both ends, while pushing down other facilities and imploding small viable VPS companies and perhaps even more commonly known names around here.
Is this a free market? Well if there weren't shenanigans and attempts by CVPS to gobble up competitors and when rejected it equals warfare. It's borderline at best. Only truly some free market when you say there are other VPS companies, outside of LEB range and viewing this as the entire industry.
So your advantage as an end buyer is rather random, certainly short term savings at best. Long term, market erosion, less options, perhaps complete destruction of the market or a
nasty provider war --- CC vs. everyone else.
Anyone else notice that @Chief posted the CVPS offer today? Been a while since he posted/approved an offer.
Chief hadn't posted an offer since December 26, 2012, and that offer was for... CVPS.
Prior to that Chief posted an offer way back on October 20, for Neosurge.
Three days after that, October 23, Chief posted the winner of the giveaway sponsored by CVPS, I mean CC.
Prior to that? End of Reality approved by Chief on October 19. That's a company on CC's network and thought to be another "front" company.
October 11, Chief post about the DMCA takedown from LimeStoneNetworks. (unrelated just timeline)
August 18, 2012, Chief, Cubix Cloud -- a CC network offer.
June 27, 2012, CVPS offer --- by Chief.
June 15, 2012, End of Reality offer --- by Chief.
February 29, 2012, CVPS offer --- by Chief.
(puts on tin foil hat)
Everyone needs a good mystery every now and then.
I'm not sure how it fits in, but I'm curious as to why Alex Vial is listed as the one who handles LEB ads. Just plain curious.
http://gyazo.com/23c6fde8c58ff43c28fbe65e6796245b
When I say "handles," that's obviously speculation as well. I was just surprised to see his name there when I clicked "connect."
@pubcrawler on the earlier discussion of them being single-homed in Atlanta. That isn't the case, they do have more than one provider
@RyanD, what's the upstream in Atlanta. Post something that shows, if you can.
It's nLayer.
Well, I know it's nLayer @flam316. Others said single homed. nLayer so far....
@PubCrawler just check out the bgp tables for one of their other ranges, it just looks like that particular range is not announced
Interesting indeed...
I'm almost positive it's single-homed, that's what I was insinuating.
Route views shows pure nLayer (4436), so pretty sure single homed less any peerings.
http://bgp.he.net/AS36352 they also have COLO@'s mix in Atlanta like I said it appears that IP range just isn't announced.
@Miguel, well CC having a banner for some back room deal involving the site, DDoS protect, etc. makes sense. Realize when LEB/LET was DDoS'd it was Colocrossing that came to the rescue, oddly. Would expect some addon visibility as part of a hosting deal.
Question is, does LEB/LET pay for their server/services? Or is there something less clear going on that allows CC/CVPS to flex their relationship and demand ads go up for them and the customers on their network at will? (i.e. LET/LEB getting free service) Cause the later seems like what is going on.
What I find fishy is Colocrossing announced this update today and CVPS offer with same info gets listed the same day. How is it possible? Does this mean CVPS taking special advantage over LEB?
Speculation. I don't even know the last time we had a offer, probably 6 Months ago? I think that people should only be able to post on LET every 3 month, or so. Otherwise you just keep getting the same ol' crap.
@driverdotim It means CVPS, even if its own entity, is bound together with CC. They may be separate on paper, but we're talking relationship like that of family at the very least. Now there's nothing wrong with that at all, it's just this lie like "oh we just colo with them that's it." No that's not it. Jon Biloh gave Chris the domain, they even admit it in LEB comments tonight. So the guy you "just colo with" gave you what you needed to start and gets you insane deals inside the datacenter? That's awesome, good for you for having great friends, but why play it down? Play it up as a strength.
Then figure in how much they like to down play the relationship and consider that LEB is in CC and one of their techs handles the ads. Fairly safe bet that CVPS has some weight around here
None of it would matter to anyone if they didn't constantly act like the relationship is purely that of a colo client like any other.
@jarland So why they can't just agree that CC plays a lead role on CVPS. Stop playing corporate game. CC funds CVPS and CC controls our puppet chief. There is no other way you can push an offer the same day out of a dc that announced it is going live on that location. Just pure bull shit. I know pretty well from all the LEB posts that offers take almost 2-3 weeks or even months to get posted.
While I appreciate your interest, I'm afraid that this is not true. ColoCrossing has been offering services out of Atlanta for over a couple years now. We did, however, receive new IP ranges they announced specifically for CVPS for our Atlanta expansion.
So how did post an yu get offer on LEB the same day you get ip?
It's not the same day we got the IPs. These Atlanta servers have been ready and online for quite a while now, in fact if you look on our website, Atlanta is NOWHERE to be mentioned on our website yet. We did not even officially announce this location yet, we wanted to do a LEB promo first to get the servers filled up before we update our website and offer it on our standard packages.
@CVPS_Kevin I think you're going to be good for CVPS. Calm, rational discussion.
Thanks Jarland!
Lol, if only.