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@lzp naah, don't fall on that little diversion and try to stay with topic. You explained it well no matter if we all agree or disagree regarding topic of discussion and that's great. Interesting reading and finally very pleasant LET discussion. Lets keep it that way.
Its VPS' pronounced the same as you'd say VPS with a little bit more of an S than normal
It's pronounced veepee essess but written as VPSs.
You didn't make a mistake. An acronym is a form of abbreviation. Thus the proper plural is VPSs, not VPSes or with any sort of apostrophe usage.
Precisely.
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@Nick_A wuttttt
VPS's
I think this thread is most popular thread of the day.
Cut the crap, virtual servers. Have a good night.
It's kinda funny everyone forgot to ask which language you are answering for :-D
Oh come on! Even lazy, you can't really forget there is a British English, a North-American English and an international English!!
No such thing
I really don't care, but I say VPSs.
I take no issue with the facts (all factual information appears correct as far as I can see). I take more issue with you saying that "this is about facts, not opinions" and then proceeding to write a giant post whose conclusion is almost entirely based on opinions.
EDIT: No, I'm not "butthurt" - I have no reason to be. I'm simply pointing out an inconsistency in your posts.
These are a lot of opinions or at the very least alleged "facts" that need backing up. The entire argument you are trying to make is built on these.
Here you appear to be implying that the concept of changing language does not apply here because the change is not "beneficial", for which I have not seen any reasoning. Seeing as writing it in an apparently "incorrect" way provides superior readability, I'd say the claim that it's not "beneficial" needs some backing up.
@joepie91 so what you're saying? It it VPS's? Or VPSs? Or VPSes? Or..?
I think he's claiming VPSes, which would logically be Virtual Private Serveres (wrong no matter how you use it).
VPS's would be Virtual Private Server's (in otherwords, belonging to the Server, not plural).
VPSs would come out to Virtual Private Servers.
I have no idea what it is technically supposed to be - apparently VPSs - but if you want people to actually be able to read what you're writing, you'll probably want to use VPSes. Hence a great example of language changing for the benefit of it.
VPS's would be Virtual Private Server's (in otherwords, belonging to the Server, not plural).
VPSs would come out to Virtual Private Servers.
That would only fly if you'd mentally read "Virtual Private Server" every time you saw "VPS". As far as I am aware, people usually read it as a sequence of letters, and not as the meaning of said sequence. Which makes the whole argument about "Virtual Private Serveres" somewhat irrelevant.
@darknessends Clearly I'm not the only one bugged by this.
Unless you can replace the term with Virtual Machines, VM or VMs.
We need to stop the mismash of wrong words to clear up the mess.
This is OpenVZ's page describing their product:
KVM describes itself as:
Using KVM, one can run multiple virtual machines running unmodified Linux or Windows images. Each virtual machine has private virtualized hardware: a network card, disk, graphics adapter, etc.
Citrix Xen says:
Clearly, OpenVZ is the leader by adoption in this market. The language confusion seems attributable to them. They call VPS plural, VPSs. But note they also call these containers VEs.
KVM writes out the situation as "multiple virtual machines", a route I'd take while being verbose.
Citrix uses actually the very same language, verbatim, "multiple virtual machines" and then clearly states "a single physical server".
Hope that helps
VPSs looks like a Nazi starter kit. I'd steer clear of it because it looks totally wrong and going to be a point of useless argument. Refer to KVM and Citrix and how they dance around it.
That's because "one can run VPSs running unmodified Linux etc." doesn't sound good.
True @gubbyte.
What folks are selling typically is a single virtual machine to a customer. In case that customer buys several the "multiple virtual machines" works.
It's a funny topic since the entire acronym seems unnecessary, like most acronyms.
It's been bugging people for years:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=753321
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/158900-plural-vps.html
If the advertisement is from a provider like Prometeus or CloudVPS then I mentally read VPS as "Virtual Private Server". If the advertisement is from a provider like DixHost or XenSpeed then I mentally read VPS as "Virtual Piece of Shit".
Lets put this all into perspective here - is the United States of America USesA or USA. I think that answers it pretty well
Though you'd normally pluralize words already ending in "s" by adding an "es" (e.g. dresses, gases), acronyms are a special exception and most of the major style guides (Chicago, MLA, APA, and AP) say to just add an "s" regardless of what the acronym ends in (e.g. VPSs, HDDs, SSDs).
This is only an issue of style, though, and as long as you're not writing professionally for publication you're fine using "es" or "'s" if you prefer how they look. The most important thing is to just be consistent -- don't use "VPSs" in one sentence and "VPSes" in the next.
And never use VPS'es, because that's plain wrong.
Heh. If the quality of writing on their wiki is any indication, OpenVZ is possibly the worst source to follow for proper use of a language
Actually, it doesn't. The acronym "USA" already stands for a pluralized version ("United States of America"). It does not represent "United State of America". The pluralization is literally part of the acronym itself.
What we are discussing here is the plural forum of an acronym that in itself represents a singular term ("Virtual Private Server").
Gollum would say VPSes
Pretty sure it's an even tie here, did we reach a decision?
Yup. It's VPSs. Pronounced VPSes.
VPS plural version isn't even per se a real word. Whole issue is a matter of origin. I think OpenVZ started the muck.
Server virtualize= Virtual Private Server
A single container within the VPS = Virtual Machine
Plural containers = Virtual Machines (VMs)