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  • @arriterx said:
    You should limit you bandwidth to 100mbps and than you can use it 24/7 with no fear to be warned or throttled directly

    got that after further reading, just didn't realize it was an old thread :D

  • TheLinuxBugTheLinuxBug Member
    edited September 2015

    Let us take a moment to break this down a little bit here everyone... I mean really this is a bit more straight forward than you make it sound...

    First of all, no provider of dedicated servers is giving you "FULL GIGABIT" 24/7 in a gigabit offer if you are paying less than $300-$400 a month on just a bandwidth commit, not the server.

    Most dedicated server providers who are offering you gigabit service are purchasing their upstream bandwidth at 95th percentile rates. This is calculated way differently that when you are purchasing bandwidth by the GB or TB. Therefore, if you have a lot of customers constantly bursting at higher speeds, you incur a higher rate at the 95th percentile billing rate per Mbps being used. This amount can vary from $0.50-$10.00 (or more) per Mbps depending on the carrier being used. Now, can you see why they may not want ever server in the DC maxing its connection and how that could get costly? Let's continue...

    So, if you are buying a server from most standard dedicated server providers around, what they are doing is selling you say, 5-10TB of bandwidth and they are hoping you won't use all of that at full speed, but if you do, they have decided that this amount likely won't impact them very much. Also, if you go over your GB or TB limit, then they can start charging you, often from $1-$10TB additional depending on the providers policy.

    Now, lets discuss the anomaly which is Hetzner, Online.net, OVH and how they game the market a bit. So, these player are big enough they buy bandwidth at a pretty decent bulk rate, so to pass on that savings and attract customers they offer you a 1 Gigabit port "Unmetered" and have a reasonable network behind it which can usually sustain close to your max. The side effect of being able to enjoy the full speeds is that you have to be realistic with your usage. They are trusting that you won't just sit there and 24/7 max the things out. So what they do as a gentle warning is tell you, "You are guaranteed 250Mbit, 300Mbit, etc" to help you understand that, "Hey, we are not going to kick you out if your using 400mbit constantly, but really we prefer you stay at 300Mbit... if you can't stay around that are, well we are going to have to enforce that limit." It all comes back to that old saying, "Don't be a dick!"

    So, to recap:

    1. You get a good price on a server linked with a gigabit connection which can actually hit that amount if needed

    2. They are perfectly fine with you using the server to run your website and your Owncloud, etc but all they ask is that you try not to burst all the time. _A few hours, cool, that's what the network is here for!_

    3. "Don't be a dick"

    4. Use your head!

    Now, to be a bit more specific, Hetzner actually tells you when you are ordering their product, "20TB with 250Mbit then you will be limited", pretty much, "Hey, you get 20TB we will guarantee you a consistent 25M/sec, but hey you can also burst if you need but once you hit 20TB we are going to limit you to 10Mbit. Which may even be a bit more clear than Online.net when it comes to bandwidth, but still its just about the same policy.

    TL;DR:

    Most budget and mid-range dedicated server you are buying on this forum and WHT do not come with a 1Gigabit commit, only the ability to burst to gigabit as needed. These vendors who offer this "burstability" offer it as a courtesy and if you are abusive they will simply cap you to avoid issue, this is where the '300Mbit guarantee' comes in, if you become abusive they reserve the right to limit you to what they promised. So, "Don't be a dick" , "Use your head" and things should be alright!

    My 2 cents.

    Cheers!

  • @TheLinuxBug said:
    Let us take a moment to break this down a little bit here everyone... I mean really this is a bit more straight forward than you make it sound...

    First of all, no provider of dedicated servers is giving you "FULL GIGABIT" 24/7 in a gigabit offer if you are paying less than $300-$400 a month on just a bandwidth commit, not the server.

    Most dedicated server providers who are offering you gigabit service are purchasing their upstream bandwidth at 95th percentile rates. This is calculated way differently that when you are purchasing bandwidth by the GB or TB. Therefore, if you have a lot of customers constantly bursting at higher speeds, you incur a higher rate at the 95th percentile billing rate per Mbps being used. This amount can vary from $0.50-$10.00 (or more) per Mbps depending on the carrier being used. Now, can you see why they may not want ever server in the DC maxing its connection and how that could get costly? Let's continue...

    So, if you are buying a server from most standard dedicated server providers around, what they are doing is selling you say, 5-10TB of bandwidth and they are hoping you won't use all of that at full speed, but if you do, they have decided that this amount likely won't impact them very much. Also, if you go over your GB or TB limit, then they can start charging you, often from $1-$10TB additional depending on the providers policy.

    Now, lets discuss the anomaly which is Hetzner, Online.net, OVH and how they game the market a bit. So, these player are big enough they buy bandwidth at a pretty decent bulk rate, so to pass on that savings and attract customers they offer you a 1 Gigabit port "Unmetered" and have a reasonable network behind it which can usually sustain close to your max. The side effect of being able to enjoy the full speeds is that you have to be realistic with your usage. They are trusting that you won't just sit there and 24/7 max the things out. So what they do as a gentle warning is tell you, "You are guaranteed 250Mbit, 300Mbit, etc" to help you understand that, "Hey, we are not going to kick you out if your using 400mbit constantly, but really we prefer you stay at 300Mbit... if you can't stay around that are, well we are going to have to enforce that limit." It all comes back to that old saying, "Don't be a dick!"

    So, to recap:

    1. You get a good price on a server linked with a gigabit connection which can actually hit that amount if needed

    2. They are perfectly fine with you using the server to run your website and your Owncloud, etc but all they ask is that you try not to burst all the time. _A few hours, cool, that's what the network is here for!_

    3. "Don't be a dick"

    4. Use your head!

    Now, to be a bit more specific, Hetzner actually tells you when you are ordering their product, "20TB with 250Mbit then you will be limited", pretty much, "Hey, you get 20TB we will guarantee you a consistent 25M/sec, but hey you can also burst if you need but once you hit 20TB we are going to limit you to 10Mbit. Which may even be a bit more clear than Online.net when it comes to bandwidth, but still its just about the same policy.

    TL;DR:

    Most budget and mid-range dedicated server you are buying on this forum and WHT do not come with a 1Gigabit commit, only the ability to burst to gigabit as needed. These vendors who offer this "burstability" offer it as a courtesy and if you are abusive they will simply cap you to avoid issue, this is where the '300Mbit guarantee' comes in, if you become abusive they reserve the right to limit you to what they promised. So, "Don't be a dick" , "Use your head" and things should be alright!

    My 2 cents.

    Cheers!

    Some people just read it as they want to read it. That juicy part in their heads is not much functional.

    Whatever you say they will still say: " Oh, but it says 1Gbps!"

    Thanked by 1jvnadr
  • Online.net were actually pretty good for me with a video hosting website, Had around 500Mbps+ out constantly for a month on one of their storage servers and they had no issue.

    Thanked by 1vimalware
  • I googled more or less extensively and found this: https://forum.online.net/index.php?/topic/5201-question-about-pro-server/

    it says that 400mbit premium is minimum internet bandwidth guaranteed speed.... Does this mean 400mbit/download and 400mbit/upload seperatley

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    this is 400mbit/s in the both side

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    Does this mean 400mbit download + 400mbit download?

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    Yes


    Now the question is if you are allowed to use your bandwidth limit x2 just down or up, not both at the same time. :D They probably just monitor the bandwidth....? @MonsteR 's post above me hints towards that.

    @TheLinuxBug

    I think you also missed the point http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/1262738/#Comment_1262738

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